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Ford Fusion Hybrid, Mercury Milan Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Sedan
#432 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [daninoah]
Mar 18, 2009 (5:54 am)
Yes my comparison was with the 2009 Fusion. There are no 2010 Fusions to compare with. If you think that Ford will discount the FFH for the near future you are very hopeful indeed. I think they will sell all they make at MSRP for at least a year. I don't see dealers even bringing the 2010 non hybrid Fusion in numbers until they have sold their 2008 & 2009 model fusions that are stacked to the sky. There is $3500 rebate on the 2009 not sure how much on the 2008 models. You can rationalize all you like. There is NO WAY you will ever save enough gas with the FFH to justify $8k to $10k difference. It is purely you want one. Which is fine. That is why I will continue to maintain that Californians are crazy. Has nothing to do with economics. Just being first with the latest. Like lining up over night to get an iPhone. Those people are NUTS. And one of my close friends did that and HE IS NUTS. Always broke and has a good job.
So if $8k means nothing to you go for the FFH.
#433 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [gagrice]
Mar 18, 2009 (6:00 am)
I don't disagree with your premise - you probably won't save money overall by buying a FFH over a standard 4 cylinder model. But the issue is that you're implying that it costs $8K-$10K more JUST for the hybrid powertrain which is totally wrong. You're also forgetting the $3400 tax credit.
Anyone who thinks they're saving money by buying a FFH is simply rationalizing their desires. I prefer to think about it as just another drivetrain option for someone who wants a loaded Fusion, and in that case (especially with the tax credit) it's not a bad deal.
#434 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [gagrice]
Mar 18, 2009 (6:11 am)
A 2009 Fusion AWD SEL loaded with V6 can be had for about $7000 under MSRP. So that is your starting point for the FFH.
I think not. It does not have the 2010 upgrades, and of course it would be wortth far less than a 2010 if you had to sell it again within 3-4 years. However, if the quieter interior, upgraded interior materials, and higher gas mileage are not that important, and you intend to keep the vehicle a long time, then it is a substantial savings.
#435 of 1144 TCH on Sale
Mar 18, 2009 (7:11 am)
Around here you can get a Camry Hybrid for $3000 off MSRP. They are trying to move them now that gas is low. If you want one, now is the time to get one, especially before April rolls around, dealers are looking to clear inventory before the tax year ends. When I bought a Prius, it was the beginning of April, the last day of special financing. When I got the Camry Hybrid, it was also in April, and I got it for $200 over invoice. I got it at the right time, just before gas skyrocketed. For those who say the hybrid doesn't pay, well I beg to differ, I have three vehicles I keep records on. The Camry, a Veracruz, and an F350. $27 a week in gas for the Camry, double that for the Veracruz, Triple that for the F350. The closest comparison of the TCH would be the V6 powered one, the I4 less HP than the Hybrid, which is closer to the V6. The I4 is 158HP, 161LbFt of torque, the Hybrid is 187 HP combined, 397LbFt of torque combined, and the V6 268 HP, 248 LbFt. VSC and Smart Key are standard, an option on the XLE. Other than leather, heated seats, and Nav, I have everything the XLE has, which has a higher invoice price than the Hybrid did at the time I purchased it. Now for MPG.
V6 XLE 19/28
I4 XLE 21/31
My summertime average is 43 MPG, winter is 34 MPG. If I had the V6, I would be getting 24 -28 max. I wouldn't even consider the I4.
Highlander Hybrid? forgetaboutit, that one right there meets or exceeds the argument about not being able to recoup the difference. IE Totally agree.
#436 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [gagrice]
Mar 18, 2009 (8:40 am)
You wrote: "If you think that Ford will discount the FFH for the near future you are very hopeful indeed. I think they will sell all they make at MSRP for at least a year."
Well, here in California, I ordered my loaded FFH for $500 over invoice. That is more than $2000 below sticker. With the tax credit (3400), it is LESS than the INVOICE for the 2010 SEL V-6 with same options. I don't need to rationalize spending more money on a hybrid, because I didn't.
#437 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [daninoah]
Mar 18, 2009 (10:49 am)
THAT's a very good deal on a vehicle that hasnt hit the streets yet and as gagrice noted will be in short supply in almost every area of the country.
#438 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [daninoah]
by kirstie_h HOST
Mar 18, 2009 (11:21 am)
Wow! Good for you. Congrats on getting a great deal.
#439 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [kirstie_h]
Mar 18, 2009 (4:32 pm)
Dang, I thought I was lucky to get 500 off MSRP for a fully loaded FFH! Of course, here in Oregon we have no sales tax, plus a 1500 state tax credit for hybrids, plus the $3400 federal credit, so probably I come out ahead! I make it a habit never to pay MSRP, let alone go over it, no matter how bad I want a car. Guess I should have tried a little harder on this deal though!
#440 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [oregongal]
Mar 18, 2009 (5:02 pm)
i think you should educate yourself on following the progress of your ordered FFH.
there are some dedicated ford sites where you can find this info.
sorry, but personally, i think you have been sold a bill of goods.
i hope i am wrong.
#441 of 1144 Re: Tax Credits [oregongal]
Mar 18, 2009 (7:51 pm)
I had a special pricing deal through my employer for hybrid vehicles. Otherwise, I would have paid close to sticker. The dealer was fine with it since my order was not part of his allocation