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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [kdhspyder] by akirby
Jan 05, 2009 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 05, 2009 9:08 am)

The current hybrids as well as the new FFH will get at least 20% better fuel economy on the highway as a non-hybrid version.
 
Camry I4 - 21/31
Camry I4 hybrid - 31/34
 
That's only 10% better. The Fusion numbers will be higher for both but the ratio should be similar. The improvement for city driving is so much higher than the highway improvement that people focus on the city MPG.
 
As for the pricing - I've seen countless owners of $50K+ vehicles who use regular instead of premium just to save 20 cents/gallon. People who buy a $30K Fusion are just as likely to be concerned with fuel mileage and fuel savings as someone in a $20K vehicle.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by larsb
Jan 05, 2009 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 11:06 am)

TCH has combined MPG of 33 and the non-hybrid I4 has a combined MPG of 26.
 
That's a 26.9% improvement.
 
Just Sayin'.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [larsb] by bigt
Jan 05, 2009 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 05, 2009 11:31 am)

Does anyone think the extra 5k will be worth it to get the Milian hb?
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [bigt] by gregg_vw
Jan 05, 2009 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: bigt (Jan 05, 2009 11:35 am)

It is not $5K more than the Fusion hybrid. Equipped the same, the two will be at most a couple hundred dollars apart, and in real world sales prices, they will be the same (comparing Fusion and Milan hybrids). If you mean the hybrid over the 4 cylinder Milan, then it depends on what you want. I'd get the hybrid myself...uses less petrol--whether or not it ever pays me back that way--is a quieter car with more gadgets, has more panache, and will have much better resale.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [larsb] by akirby
Jan 05, 2009 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 05, 2009 11:31 am)

kdhspyder said the highway mileage was at least 20% better on the hybrid vs. non hybrid. The example I gave showed 31 vs. 34 for the TCH which is a 10% improvement, not 20% - on the highway.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by kdhspyder
Jan 05, 2009 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 11:06 am)

The realworld number for all TCH's according to GreenHybrid is about 36+ mpg day on a day-in day-out driving, both highway and city. Most customers that have the TCH report 38-41 mpg on long highway trips ( 500 mi or more ).
 
Of the 4 Camrys I've owned the lifetime averages have always been about 31 mpg. 85% of my driving is Highway.
 
I'd expect both the TCH and certainly the FHH to approach 40 mpg all the time on the highway. The two that I've driven for more than 300 mi at Interstate speeds both got 38-39 mpg. From the available data and my own personal experience I think that the difference is about 20% on the highway, I'm pretty certain that I could push that towards 30%.
 
 YMMV.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by kdhspyder
Jan 05, 2009 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 11:06 am)

As for the pricing - I've seen countless owners of $50K+ vehicles who use regular instead of premium just to save 20 cents/gallon. People who buy a $30K Fusion are just as likely to be concerned with fuel mileage and fuel savings as someone in a $20K vehicle.
 
Yep that was precisely my point. Buyers who expect to pay $25000+ for a vehicle with certain amenities will not flinch a bit at the FHH or TCH in the $28000 range. This is the demographic toward which these vehicles are aimed.
 
These vehicles are NOT airmed toward the budget conscious buyer limited to vehicle prices in the $20K or lower range. That's Honda's territory.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [kdhspyder] by akirby
Jan 05, 2009 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 05, 2009 1:08 pm)

There is WAY too much variability in "real world" numbers to do a comparison. The EPA tests are highly controlled and exactly repeatable and I'll believe those over "real world" tests unless the "real world" tests are conducted in a similar manner - both vehicles tested exactly the same way - same weather, same route, same driver, same acceleration, speed, duration, same type of fuel (E-10 or E-0, etc.).
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Milian by bigt
Jan 05, 2009 (1:57 pm)
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I thought the Milian HB was more than a Fusion HB?
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by larsb
Jan 05, 2009 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 1:48 pm)

Actually, you have it reversed. The EPA "lab tests" just SIMULATE real driving.
 
Real drivers, and real owners, are not SIMULATING anything - their results are "real world" results - much closer to what a REAL driver will get.
 
People in the real world don't drive in a lab, the same way, with the same weather, the same route, same driver, same acceleration, speed, duration, same type of fuel.
 
It's the EPA numbers which should be taken with a grain of salt and the real-world numbers which are more realistic - not the other way around.
 
The EPA numbers are merely a basis of comparison to be used by car shoppers when comparing one or more potential cars to buy. That's all.

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