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Replying to: akirby (Jan 03, 2009 9:47 pm) April-May seems a little too far away for Fusion Hybrid, I was hoping it'd come out in March time frame... Also the MSRP $28K of the base Hybrid is a little too steep compared to the gas only Fusion base price $20K... is there any tax rebate that we would qualify for the Hybrid? Do we get such tax rebate deducted from the purchase price or is this a tax rebate adjusted in 1040 filing for 2009? Thanks in advance!
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Replying to: jd25 (Jan 04, 2009 12:29 pm) It looks like Honda, with their newest Insight hybrid, to be out sometime in 2009 or early 2010, will make a $20,000 small hybrid, within reach of more people. If you want a car bargain now, its hard to beat a new 2009 Ford Fusion S 4-cylinder, which I think you can get for around $17,000 now, with Ford discounts. It will get good MPG, and the cost is not that much compared to a $24,000 Prius. Thats $7,000 worth of difference, which buys a lot of gasoline.
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Replying to: jd25 (Jan 04, 2009 12:29 pm) We should get more details at the Detroit auto show starting next week. |
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 04, 2009 7:14 pm) This is not competely accurate. The first part is correct in that unless you drive a goodly number of miles such as 15K or 25K or 35K it really doesn't matter which vehicle you drive. The second part about they being only good for city driving is a common misconception, for two reasons. 1. The current hybrids as well as the new FFH will get at least 20% better fuel economy on the highway as a non-hybrid version. 2. This is almost always misunderstood, the pricing often has little or nothing to do with the decision. Why? Buyers that are on a tight budget normally don't look at $28000 vehicles. Buyers that expect to pay $25000 to $35000 for a vehicle see no problem with a hybrid in this range. That's what they normally spend. This is the real question that you have to ask. 'In the $25000 - $35000 price segment what vehicle can you buy that get the fuel economy of this new Fusion hybrid.' The only one close is the TCH. Nothing else qualifies. That's a nice position to be in....for both manufacturers. Ford and Toyota are making vehicles for this demographic segment. They are not making vehicles for the under-$20K segment...that's Honda's territory. That's also not a coincidence.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 05, 2009 9:08 am) Camry I4 - 21/31 Camry I4 hybrid - 31/34 That's only 10% better. The Fusion numbers will be higher for both but the ratio should be similar. The improvement for city driving is so much higher than the highway improvement that people focus on the city MPG. As for the pricing - I've seen countless owners of $50K+ vehicles who use regular instead of premium just to save 20 cents/gallon. People who buy a $30K Fusion are just as likely to be concerned with fuel mileage and fuel savings as someone in a $20K vehicle. |
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 11:06 am) That's a 26.9% improvement. Just Sayin'.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 05, 2009 11:31 am)
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Replying to: bigt (Jan 05, 2009 11:35 am) |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 05, 2009 11:31 am) |
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 11:06 am) Of the 4 Camrys I've owned the lifetime averages have always been about 31 mpg. 85% of my driving is Highway. I'd expect both the TCH and certainly the FHH to approach 40 mpg all the time on the highway. The two that I've driven for more than 300 mi at Interstate speeds both got 38-39 mpg. From the available data and my own personal experience I think that the difference is about 20% on the highway, I'm pretty certain that I could push that towards 30%. YMMV.
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