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#37 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [jd25]
Jan 04, 2009 (8:44 am)
jd25 said: "Until now I have not considered a hybrid because I thought we have to wait couple of more years for the technology to mature."
I think you're right to go ahead and buy now, because Ford has a ton of experience with the Ford Escape hybrid in the marketplace for about 5 years now. Lots of New York taxi experience in there, too. The Fusion improves on the Escape's hybrid system, evolving the design further. I'm an engineer, and your perception is correct that the engineers need time to evolve something, to get the bugs out. The Escape is generally well thought of in the market, and the Fusion will take it to a whole new level. Very exciting for us engineers, too.
In that same Car and Driver issue (Feb. 2009) that the glowing Fusion hybrid article is in, notice the editorial column about hydraulic hybrids. That is awesome, game-changing tech for current polluting, gas-hog urban trucks and SUVs. Hybrids don't have to mean ANY electric motors or batteries!
#38 of 1144 Re: Here is alink to [scape2]
Jan 04, 2009 (9:14 am)
scape2 said: "the CD article.. pass it on in other forums...
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/green_machines/2010_f- - ord_fusion_hybrid_short_take_road_test "
Thats a nice test, but remember Car and Driver (the paper Feb. 2009 issue) has a full test and comparison of the Fusion hybrid against Camry, Altima, Malibu hybrids. Guess how the Fusion came out in that test? Notice the colorful language the normally-cynical Car and Driver writers use on the Fusion. Wow.
#39 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby]
Jan 04, 2009 (12:29 pm)
Thanks for the reply!
April-May seems a little too far away for Fusion Hybrid, I was hoping it'd come out in March time frame...
Also the MSRP $28K of the base Hybrid is a little too steep compared to the gas only Fusion base price $20K... is there any tax rebate that we would qualify for the Hybrid? Do we get such tax rebate deducted from the purchase price or is this a tax rebate adjusted in 1040 filing for 2009?
Thanks in advance!
#40 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [jd25]
Jan 04, 2009 (7:14 pm)
Its true hybrid cars have never been a great economic decision, unless you put over 15,000 city-driving miles on the vehicle each year. Taxi service qualifies, and some other heavy-use stuff. The premium is just too much for most people. That said, some people see a victory over foreign oil there.
It looks like Honda, with their newest Insight hybrid, to be out sometime in 2009 or early 2010, will make a $20,000 small hybrid, within reach of more people. If you want a car bargain now, its hard to beat a new 2009 Ford Fusion S 4-cylinder, which I think you can get for around $17,000 now, with Ford discounts. It will get good MPG, and the cost is not that much compared to a $24,000 Prius. Thats $7,000 worth of difference, which buys a lot of gasoline.
#41 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [jd25]
Jan 05, 2009 (6:03 am)
March is theoretically possible, if they start hybrid production on day one and there are no launch delays. But remember - when Ford launches a new product they require 5 consecutive days of error free builds before they start shipping. One error on one vehicle and the 5 day clock starts all over. So it could be end of February before they really start shipping.
We should get more details at the Detroit auto show starting next week.
#42 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [coldcranker]
Jan 05, 2009 (9:08 am)
Its true hybrid cars have never been a great economic decision, unless you put over 15,000 city-driving miles on the vehicle each year.
This is not competely accurate. The first part is correct in that unless you drive a goodly number of miles such as 15K or 25K or 35K it really doesn't matter which vehicle you drive. The second part about they being only good for city driving is a common misconception, for two reasons.
1. The current hybrids as well as the new FFH will get at least 20% better fuel economy on the highway as a non-hybrid version.
2. This is almost always misunderstood, the pricing often has little or nothing to do with the decision. Why? Buyers that are on a tight budget normally don't look at $28000 vehicles. Buyers that expect to pay $25000 to $35000 for a vehicle see no problem with a hybrid in this range. That's what they normally spend.
This is the real question that you have to ask. 'In the $25000 - $35000 price segment what vehicle can you buy that get the fuel economy of this new Fusion hybrid.' The only one close is the TCH. Nothing else qualifies. That's a nice position to be in....for both manufacturers.
Ford and Toyota are making vehicles for this demographic segment. They are not making vehicles for the under-$20K segment...that's Honda's territory. That's also not a coincidence.
#43 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [kdhspyder]
Jan 05, 2009 (11:06 am)
The current hybrids as well as the new FFH will get at least 20% better fuel economy on the highway as a non-hybrid version.
Camry I4 - 21/31
Camry I4 hybrid - 31/34
That's only 10% better. The Fusion numbers will be higher for both but the ratio should be similar. The improvement for city driving is so much higher than the highway improvement that people focus on the city MPG.
As for the pricing - I've seen countless owners of $50K+ vehicles who use regular instead of premium just to save 20 cents/gallon. People who buy a $30K Fusion are just as likely to be concerned with fuel mileage and fuel savings as someone in a $20K vehicle.
#44 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby]
Jan 05, 2009 (11:31 am)
TCH has combined MPG of 33 and the non-hybrid I4 has a combined MPG of 26.
That's a 26.9% improvement.
#45 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [larsb]
Jan 05, 2009 (11:35 am)
Does anyone think the extra 5k will be worth it to get the Milian hb?
#46 of 1144 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [bigt]
Jan 05, 2009 (12:38 pm)
It is not $5K more than the Fusion hybrid. Equipped the same, the two will be at most a couple hundred dollars apart, and in real world sales prices, they will be the same (comparing Fusion and Milan hybrids). If you mean the hybrid over the 4 cylinder Milan, then it depends on what you want. I'd get the hybrid myself...uses less petrol--whether or not it ever pays me back that way--is a quieter car with more gadgets, has more panache, and will have much better resale.