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You are in the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan Hybrid
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Ford Fusion Hybrid, Mercury Milan Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Sedan
#286 of 1144 Re: Hybrid available by late February? [kdhspyder]
Feb 06, 2009 (7:47 pm)
I like to think of it as the PT Barnum Syndrome. That and the inherent knee jerk reaction Americans have toward the price of gas. No wonder the US is in such financial trouble. I don't think they will build enough of the FFH to satisfy the gotta have it first crowd. That means the end of the year before supply catches demand. Depending on the battery situation. I know here in San Diego that Drew Ford was holding at MSRP on their Escape hybrids in November. You could get top of the line V6 for $10k less. The 2009 Fusion has a $3500 rebate according to this website. I'm guessing close to $10k extra to get the hybrid WITHOUT the AWD option.
#287 of 1144 Re: Hybrid available by late February? [gagrice]
Feb 07, 2009 (9:15 am)
One things for sure, with the CAFE fleet average MPG standards on the way up (35 MPG by 2020, and considering 31.6 by 2015, up from 27 now), Ford would love to start selling more and more hybrids (Ford Fusion Hybrids and Escape Hybrids) to free up their other vehicles in the fleet to get much lower MPG. If gas prices stay below $2.50 per gallon over the next 10 years, hybrids might be the silver bullet to meet the CAFE standards. If gas prices soar again above that, then consumers will want more non-hybrid models getting better MPG, spreading the high-MPG tech to non-hybrids. High gas prices could reverse the current (at least at Ford) trends in engineering offices where non-hybrids don't get enough fuel efficiency innovations while hybrids are concentrated on.
#288 of 1144 Re: USA Today reviewer RAVES about it [larsb]
Feb 07, 2009 (9:27 am)
larsb's USAToday article was good. I think the author was refering to the well known lack of good driving experience in the Prius, and the Camry, for that matter. Toyota steering feel is just strange. And acceleration in a Prius is not satisfying at all. At least the Ford Fusion Hybrid will deliver a better experience. The only part of the article where the author made an error was when saying the Prius has almost as much room in it. The Fusion Hybrid is a full step up in roominess from the Prius, not just "about the same room inside" as he said. Its a bigger, heavier vehicle. Just about all the automotive press agrees the Fusion Hybrid is a winner. And, really, no matter what the price diff is between a nice Fusion 4-cyl non-hybrid and a hybrid, just being able to deny the Middle East and Venezuela more U.S. dollars is worth it, for those that don't mind paying the extra thousands.
#289 of 1144 How to approach the price
Feb 07, 2009 (9:56 am)
Will the dealer in the pre-order process have MSRP figures? Can you find these out before you go there? I see the Fusion HB on Edmunds but not the Milan HB.
How can they then tack on to this?
#290 of 1144 Re: USA Today reviewer RAVES about it [coldcranker]
Feb 07, 2009 (10:48 am)
The author did not make an error, so much as an interpretation that may not agree with yours. According to the epa interior volume index, both the Prius and Fusion fall in the mid-size category. The Fusion may have slightly more interior space, but not enough to put it in the next size class. Used to be we all determined subcompact/compact/intermediate/fullsize mostly by exterior length and width. In that regard, they are definetely different sizes. But the epa data have pointed out how some cars with large exteriors (some Bentleys for example) are only midsize by interior volume, while they consider the Hyundai Sonata for example a "full-size"by interior volume. Anyway, you are both right.
#291 of 1144 Re: USA Today reviewer RAVES about it [coldcranker]
Feb 07, 2009 (11:16 am)
The USAToday article was very positive..rave even. What's up with the fuel economy results being found? This one is now the 3rd review to state that they found the actual FE to be 34-ish instead of 39-ish as would be expected by the EPA values.
#292 of 1144 Re: How to approach the price [bigt]
Feb 07, 2009 (11:44 am)
You will negotiate the price based on the MSRP - $x above or below MSRP. If they're going to charge an addendum then it will be $X above MSRP. Then when the vehicle shows up you take the MSRP and calculate the price you agreed on.
#293 of 1144 Re: USA Today reviewer RAVES about it [kdhspyder]
Feb 07, 2009 (11:46 am)
They're probably not being easy on the throttle. It will only hit 47 mph on electric power with a very light right foot.
#294 of 1144 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid
Feb 07, 2009 (11:47 am)
Regarding the batteries - Any idea of the warranty to be offered? What about replacement cost?
Has anyone researched the battery performance degradation with hybrids when operating in a cold environment? What kind of mileage can I expect when driving at 20 F?
By the way - I had a similar experience as an earlier post. I tried contacting a local dealer with questions. They had very little information to offer.
#295 of 1144 Re: USA Today reviewer RAVES about it [gregg_vw]
Feb 07, 2009 (1:58 pm)
gregg_vw, The author of the USAToday car review made a misleading error when he said the Prius was "about" as roomy as the Fusion. For example, would you say the Ford 500/Taurus sedan is about as roomy as a Prius? Of course not. Well, the Fusion is very close to the Ford 500/Taurus large sedan in the critical measurements of shoulder room and hip room. (The Fusion slightly beats the 500/Taurus on front hip room, BTW.) Those roominess measurements are the biggest contributors to the actual feeling of not being cramped, as known in Human Factors automotive engineering. If you go by EPA volume measurements and/or exterior dimensions as you did, you can get confused, because some of that volume is not devoted to places where you notice it the most. The Prius was made narrow to give it more MPG, sacrificing driver/passenger comfort levels.
Figures for the 2010 Fusion, 2009 Prius, 2009 Taurus
Front Shoulder Room 57.4 in. 55 in. 57.8 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 56.5 in. 52.9 in. 57.6 in.
Front Hip Room 54 in. 51 in. 53.7 in.