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#270 of 1144 Re: Hybrid available by late February? [kdhspyder]
Feb 06, 2009 (7:50 am)
Do you suppose that battery number is for all the Ford hybrids? The way the sales are going around here I don't think the hybrids will be a sales issue. The largest Ford dealer in San Diego is selling 20% of 2007 sales figures. I know they laid off a bunch of mechanics. A good friend was one of them. He is having a heck of a time finding a job. If Ford treats the Fusion hybrid like the Escape hybrid you will be paying a HUGE premium over a comparably equipped non hybrid Fusion. Looks like Edmund's has the pricing. With the 502A package discounts you are looking at $32k. You can buy the AWD V6 Fusion loaded for $24k. The FFH will only be for those that nothing but the latest will do. And they will pay dearly for that distinction.
#271 of 1144 Re: Hybrid available by late February? [gagrice]
Feb 06, 2009 (8:43 am)
The only time the Escape Hybrid had a HUGE premium was last summer and fall when gas was through the roof. Right now, huge premium means no sale.
#272 of 1144 Re: Buying a hybrid [bigt]
Feb 06, 2009 (9:29 am)
My dealer said the pre-order is at MSRP. I bet once they are out in the dealers they will go for more than that. This is why this week, I am diving in!
There may be loyal Ford tie hards that will pay more than MSRP. However this car is being added to a field where there is competition. When the TCH came out there was no other conventional looking hybrid competition out there (a lot are turned off by the Prius). TCH's are no longer going for MSRP. The pricing I have seen on the FFH, at least the loaded ones put it as high or higher then the TCH. While I will certainly consider the FFH on my next purchase I won't pay a $2K premium on it over the TCH, of which I know to be a dependable car over all (not just the hybrid system).
I would be ticked at Ford if I paid $2K too much for this and then prices dropped in 2 months. That's why a lot of people get ticked at the domesticas. Gouge you on a new hot product (like the PT Cruiser) and then in months start discounting them. It's not a hot market with cars period, and hybrids in general right now. If Ford starts making them and they don't move they will discount them.
#273 of 1144 Re: Hybrid available by late February? [gagrice]
Feb 06, 2009 (9:43 am)
A Fusion HB at 32K or a fully loaded new MKZ for just a little more. Hmm...
Gas prices are inching back up. I bet back over 2 bucks in a few months.
#274 of 1144 Re: Buying a hybrid [wvgasguy]
Feb 06, 2009 (10:22 am)
I would be ticked at Ford if I paid $2K too much for this and then prices dropped in 2 months. That's why a lot of people get ticked at the domesticas. Gouge you on a new hot product (like the PT Cruiser) and then in months start discounting them.
I don't know why you think that's a domestic issue. The markup on a Nissan GT-R is over $50K. Highly desirable and rare imports get ADMs just like the "domesticas". Besides that, there is nothing that Ford can do about ADMs. Nothing whatsoever. It would be illegal for Ford to do anything to control the dealer's selling price. So blame the Ford dealers but not Ford. The imports may have more favorable franchise agreements in that arena but they are not immune.
#275 of 1144 Re: Buying a hybrid [akirby]
Feb 06, 2009 (11:40 am)
And really, anyone who pays over list for either foreign or domestic is doing so because they want to be first out of the gate with a scarce product, and the premium is worth it to them...or they wouldn't pay it.
If you can wait a bit, most all but truly exotic cars come back down to where more people will view the price as realistic. If dealers only have one FFH to begin with, of course many will tack on a premium. After all, it is rare a dealer gets to make much money off any new car sale (they count on used sales and service to keep the doors open). You want one under list, have patience.
#276 of 1144 Re: Buying a hybrid [gregg_vw]
Feb 06, 2009 (11:57 am)
So if you pre-order the most you will pay is MSRP correct? Is that a bad thing? I guess it depends on if gas prices, if they are high than the hybrids will fly off the lot. If not perhaps you will get a deal on them. In the end I guess it is if you want to be first on the block!
#277 of 1144 Re: Hybrid available by late February? [gregg_vw]
Feb 06, 2009 (12:37 pm)
Hybrid sales always follow the trend of fuel prices. Fuel prices www.gasbuddy.com move in a very well-known curve throughout the year.
The lowest prices are during the year end Holiday Season;
Immediately after Jan 1 prices begin to move back up again;
Prices normally peak somewhere around Memorial Day - July 4th, hold for a while;
Then they begin to decline again around Labor Day thru the Holidays......
......repeat again for the following year.
The Prius sales declined because they directed sales away from the US as the currency got weaker. They produced and sold just as many in 2008 as they did in 2007, they just didn't ship as many to the US. All the hybrid vehicle makers are currently limited by the lack of availability of batteries and hybrid components. With the current weak auto market this is not so much of an issue any longer though as gagrice noted.
I don't think Ford was clear whether that 25000 unit figure included both the FFH and MMH or not. I'm going to guess that it does.
#278 of 1144 USA Today reviewer RAVES about it
Feb 06, 2009 (12:46 pm)
How about "The 2010 Ford Fusion hybrid is the best gasoline-electric hybrid yet" as praise?
Fusion drives better. A car is, after all, a driving machine.
OK, let's just get it out there: The 2010 Ford Fusion hybrid is the best gasoline-electric hybrid yet.
What makes it best is a top-drawer blend of an already very good midsize sedan with the industry's smoothest, best-integrated gas-electric power system. It's so well-done that you have to look to the $107,000 Lexus LS 600h hybrid to come close.
Fusion's $28,000 starting price is more or less in reach, the driving feel is good, and the interior has a premium look and feel.
There are three facets to consider in evaluating a gasoline-electric hybrid: the underlying vehicle itself, the hybrid system and the mileage.
Assuming the preproduction Fusion hybrid test car was representative — Ford says it was — the Fusion's scores in those three categories are good, great and adequate, but potentially, very good.
The Toyota Prius crowd will protest. Prius is lower-priced, has about the same room inside, has a handy hatchback configuration, gets better mileage — and most of those attributes could improve when the 2010 Prius goes on sale in a few months — so how could Fusion be the best hybrid?
Simple. Fusion drives better. A car is, after all, a driving machine. Brownie points for saving somewhat more fuel or offering a cargo-friendly hatchback, but driving feel is most important.
And there, Fusion is without equal among hybrids.
#279 of 1144 Re: Buying a hybrid [bigt]
Feb 06, 2009 (1:02 pm)
Pre-ordering doesn't guarantee anything. The price is still up to you and the dealer. I don't expect dealers to be asking more than MSRP but who knows.
If you want to be one of the first to own one, you may have to pay MSRP. Or wait and see if the price drops - maybe it will, maybe it won't. It's a crap shoot. Personally I think enough people will want one not because of the hybrid label but just because they want a fusion and it happens to be the most fuel efficient model. As opposed to Prius buyers who are either looking for the hybrid label or seeking maximum fuel economy.