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What is this discussion about? Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Hybrid Cars, Sedan


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Milan Heated Seats? by bigt
Jan 26, 2009 (10:06 am)
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I bet it does not have these. Read that Mecury is expecting the HB Milan to be 6% of Milan sales. I wonder if I really want to give up all the MKZ luxury items...
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Re: How the Hybrid works [bigt] by coldcranker
Jan 26, 2009 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: bigt (Jan 26, 2009 8:09 am)

bigt, Great HowStuffWorks article there. Very clear. Looks like the Escape's system adds 500 lbs to a normal Escape. Wow. I think the Fusion Hybrid only plumps up by 400 lbs, so there is some progress there at least.
 
I hope you do order one, because you sound like you don't mind paying the extra cash for the hybrid's electric motors and batteries, and I'll bet you wouldn't mind reducing the foreign oil dependency in North America. All great reasons to buy a hybrid if you've got the bucks.
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Re: Electric Mileage [coldcranker] by kdhspyder
Jan 26, 2009 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 26, 2009 10:00 am)

All of those advances in the ICE which you note are being worked on in parallel at testing facilities all over the world. They are part of the normal curve of improvement in drivetrains.
 
Yes they will all work to improve efficencies and fuel economy. But on top of all these improvements if you add an efficient hybrid system it's like multiplying the results by a coefficient of 1.3 to 1.4.
 
The new FFH and the new G3 Prius and the Lexus 250h are all examples of this. The ICE improvements, tranny efficiencies and new designs are then improved by 30-40% by the addition of the respective hybrid systems.
 
This is your blind spot that you continue to ignore.
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Re: Electric Mileage [kdhspyder] by coldcranker
Jan 26, 2009 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 26, 2009 10:37 am)

kdhspyder, You miss the point yet again. The UCS article I cited with a link in my post above.explains tech that is here now, most of which has been here for the last 10 years or so. Its not the "normal curve of improvement" as you put it. Something that is in common current usage, and has been for years, is old stuff. Just refer to the UCS article and I won't argue with you anymore. Futility.
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Re: Electric Mileage [coldcranker] by kirstie_h HOST
Jan 26, 2009 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 26, 2009 10:48 am)

Guys -
Take it elsewhere.... like, to another site. No one here wants to watch you trade barbs. We're interested in the 2010 hybrid Fusion/Milan.
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Re: Electric Mileage [kirstie_h] by coldcranker
Jan 26, 2009 (11:55 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Jan 26, 2009 11:01 am)

kirstie_h, I wasn't the one trading barbs. I was pointing out facts that are relevant to the Fusion Hybrid. I don't appreciate your accusatory statement, and you owe me an apology.
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Re: Electric Mileage [coldcranker] by texases
Jan 26, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 26, 2009 11:55 am)

Coldcranker, I tried to drop a hint, you didn't get it, now your going off on Kirstie. She's exactly right, the recent series of posts with you two had very little to do the FFHs, more about who did or didn't understand this or that. Not relevant here.
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Re: Electric Mileage [coldcranker] by kirstie_h HOST
Jan 26, 2009 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 26, 2009 11:55 am)

I don't, but if you want to discuss, you are welcome to email me any time.
 
This forum is for discussion of the upcoming Fusion/Milan hybrid only.
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Re: Electric Mileage [kirstie_h] by gregg_vw
Jan 26, 2009 (2:32 pm)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Jan 26, 2009 12:57 pm)

It doesn't help to be thin-skinned on these forums. Occasionally, I have gotten reprimanded for an interchange on one forum or another. Of course I thought I was "right," but I also know that if a moderator is saying "hey guys, take it outside," that is a signal for me to let it be.
 
No moderator owes anyone an apology for trying to take care of their responsibilities here. And all of us must realize from time to time that print messages without facial expression, intonation and other body language is easily misconstrued. Most times, it is not worth trying to "set straight." Don't take it personally, but do let it go.
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Re: Electric Mileage [gregg_vw] by coldcranker
Jan 26, 2009 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 26, 2009 2:32 pm)

kirstie_h can't name any instances of me "trading barbs" as she put it. I can disagree with anyone posting on this forum. Its my right, and I'll do it. If we all agreed, it wouldn't be any fun. But I guess I could put a smiley-face icon on the end of every sentence..... or not.
 
She is right this is about Fusion Hybrids. I will therefore go back to my question that I had before the Toyota salesman kdhsypder starting getting Toyota-selling into these Fusion Hybrid discussions (I'm hoping someone has some concrete answers, not sales-talk fluff):
 
I was wondering why the Camry hybrid has such pathetic MPG compared to the Fusion Hybrid. It could be a more powerful, more advanced battery pack, and better engine control software in the Fusion vs. the less capable Camry. Specifics would be nice.
  
Anybody have any idea why the Camry gets beat so badly in this critical area for a hybrid? How did Ford engineers create a superior product?

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