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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Hybrid

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What is this discussion about? Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Hybrid Cars, Sedan


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Re: Electric Mileage [coldcranker] by kdhspyder
Jan 25, 2009 (9:46 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 25, 2009 4:13 pm)

While you pretend to be conversant in auto technology you have a huge blind spot where the hybrids are concerned. You don't seem to be aware of, or don't accept, the fact that the key to saving fuel is not burning any. This is why the hybrids have higher fuel efficiency ratings. The ICE in the hybrid is able to turn off or turn down to idle or run at it's most efficient state as demand requires. The normal ICE has to run all the time.
 
However in wintertime the ICE in the hybrid has to run more frequently for the reasons I noted above. There is nothing surprising about this if you've ever owned one as many here have. But to make statements such as yours above indicates that you've never put much - if any - time behind the wheel of a hybrid. Thus your assumptions are at best guesses - and they're wrong. There are 10 yrs of driving experiences all over the internet. You need to leave the 20th Century and bring yourself up-to-date. C'mon ol' timer. This is a new era, it's not that scary.
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Re: Electric Mileage [kdhspyder] by wvgasguy
Jan 26, 2009 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 25, 2009 9:46 pm)

Keep the "opinions" coming Bob. Sometimes Engineers (or even car nuts like Car and Driver) get stuck on raw data. All things being equal, the single most important input on maximizing the hybrid FE in my non-engineering opinion (I am an engineer, but not an expert in automotive like the many participants here) is the driver.
 
Most people don't want to hear all the arguments for the details about the tech but simply want to know does it work and will I be able to make it work like it's supposed it.
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How the Hybrid works by bigt
Jan 26, 2009 (8:09 am)
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Found this article. Interesting that the gas engine always starts in a Hybrid just for a second or two to perform a series of computer checks. I am getting close but it is tough when I look at all of the goodies coming out in the 2010 MKZ. However there is a great Hybrid appeal when you look at all of the trips down the block, across the street, and the DC stop and go. Getting close to the pre-order!
 
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/ford-escape.htm
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Re: Electric Mileage [kdhspyder] by coldcranker
Jan 26, 2009 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 25, 2009 9:46 pm)

kdhspyder, You don't read and/or comprehend my posts. I'm saying a hybrid works best in high-usage, high-mileage situations, by far. This is economics. You have to pay many thousands of dollars extra for the hybrid electric motors/batteries. Also, you don't seem to realize what a basic ICE can do with MPG if you add an efficient tranny, direct injection, raise compression, reduce internal friction, reduce engine size, add an aluminum roof, etc. Maybe the best way to explain it to a car salesman like yourself (because I give up) is to just refer you to the UCS article: UCS report showing non-hybrid tech can increase MPG -- click here
 
I have nothing against car salesman like kdhspyder in general, its just that you can't argue on the facts with many of them, as I've seen over the years, and they aren't automotive engineers. No surprise kdhspyder doesn't read or comprehend my posts here.
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Milan Heated Seats? by bigt
Jan 26, 2009 (10:06 am)
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I bet it does not have these. Read that Mecury is expecting the HB Milan to be 6% of Milan sales. I wonder if I really want to give up all the MKZ luxury items...
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Re: How the Hybrid works [bigt] by coldcranker
Jan 26, 2009 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: bigt (Jan 26, 2009 8:09 am)

bigt, Great HowStuffWorks article there. Very clear. Looks like the Escape's system adds 500 lbs to a normal Escape. Wow. I think the Fusion Hybrid only plumps up by 400 lbs, so there is some progress there at least.
 
I hope you do order one, because you sound like you don't mind paying the extra cash for the hybrid's electric motors and batteries, and I'll bet you wouldn't mind reducing the foreign oil dependency in North America. All great reasons to buy a hybrid if you've got the bucks.
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Re: Electric Mileage [coldcranker] by kdhspyder
Jan 26, 2009 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 26, 2009 10:00 am)

All of those advances in the ICE which you note are being worked on in parallel at testing facilities all over the world. They are part of the normal curve of improvement in drivetrains.
 
Yes they will all work to improve efficencies and fuel economy. But on top of all these improvements if you add an efficient hybrid system it's like multiplying the results by a coefficient of 1.3 to 1.4.
 
The new FFH and the new G3 Prius and the Lexus 250h are all examples of this. The ICE improvements, tranny efficiencies and new designs are then improved by 30-40% by the addition of the respective hybrid systems.
 
This is your blind spot that you continue to ignore.
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Re: Electric Mileage [kdhspyder] by coldcranker
Jan 26, 2009 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 26, 2009 10:37 am)

kdhspyder, You miss the point yet again. The UCS article I cited with a link in my post above.explains tech that is here now, most of which has been here for the last 10 years or so. Its not the "normal curve of improvement" as you put it. Something that is in common current usage, and has been for years, is old stuff. Just refer to the UCS article and I won't argue with you anymore. Futility.
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Re: Electric Mileage [coldcranker] by kirstie_h HOST
Jan 26, 2009 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 26, 2009 10:48 am)

Guys -
Take it elsewhere.... like, to another site. No one here wants to watch you trade barbs. We're interested in the 2010 hybrid Fusion/Milan.
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Re: Electric Mileage [kirstie_h] by coldcranker
Jan 26, 2009 (11:55 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Jan 26, 2009 11:01 am)

kirstie_h, I wasn't the one trading barbs. I was pointing out facts that are relevant to the Fusion Hybrid. I don't appreciate your accusatory statement, and you owe me an apology.

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