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Fusion Hybrid vs. Prius: Roominess by coldcranker
Dec 29, 2008 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: texases (Dec 29, 2008 8:30 am)

texases said: "I don't think the Prius is more roomy than the Fusion - do you? "
 
No, I meant the 2010 Prius will be roomier (slightly) than the previous 2009 Prius, meaning it will get into the range of acceptable interior dimensions for more people. The Fusion is roomier than either the '09 or '10 Prius. In fact, the 2010 Fusion will grow slightly, although I'm not sure by how much.
 
Here is one comparison that favors Prius: 50 MPG for '10 Prius, and 40 MPG for '10 Fusion Hybrid.
 
I did an interior dimensions comparison between the '09 Prius and '09 Fusion just to see how close the jelly-bean shape of the Prius gets to the conventional layout of the Fusion (Note: front Hip Room is the most important to get a roomy feeling, so its in bold letters below.):
 
2009 Prius (2010 model will expand by about 1" in most measurements.):
Interior
Front Head Room: 39.1 in. Front Hip Room: 51 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 55 in. Rear Head Room: 37.3 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 52.9 in. Rear Hip Room: 51.6 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.9 in. Rear Leg Room: 38.6 in.
Luggage Capacity: 14.4 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5
 
2009 Ford Fusion:
Interior
Front Head Room: 38.7 in. Front Hip Room: 54 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 57.4 in. Rear Head Room: 37.8 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 56.5 in. Rear Hip Room: 53.3 in.
Front Leg Room: 42.3 in. Rear Leg Room: 37.2 in.
Luggage Capacity: 15.8 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5
 
Either hybrid vehicle would be especially great as taxi cabs, where high usage and city driving really make the MPG figures save a bunch of money. The Ford Escape already is used a lot as a taxi, and the 2010 Fusion hybrid should make a great taxi with better MPG, and the new Fusion will be just as big inside as the Escape, although without as big of a luggage capacity.
 
'09 Ford Escape Hybrid:
Interior
Front Head Room: 40.4 in. Front Hip Room: 53.3 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 56.6 in. Rear Head Room: 39.2 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 55.9 in. Rear Hip Room: 49.1 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.6 in. Rear Leg Room: 35.6 in.
Luggage Capacity: 29.2 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 66 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 5
  
I was surprised how the front hip room of the Fusion is better than the boxy Escape's!
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Re: Fusion Hybrid vs. Prius: Roominess [coldcranker] by texases
Dec 29, 2008 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 29, 2008 9:19 am)

Thanks for the info! My brother has a Prius, loves it, gets about 48 mpg in his commute. I've been seriously considering the Camry hybrid, but the CD article has me interested in the Fusion hybrid. Problem might be the Ford dealers wanting to get some extra $$ for it. We'll see.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid vs. Prius: Roominess [coldcranker] by iwant12
Dec 29, 2008 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 29, 2008 9:19 am)

Do you know if the '10 Fusion will be built in Mexico like the '09s?
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Re: Fusion Hybrid vs. Prius: Roominess [iwant12] by akirby
Dec 29, 2008 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: iwant12 (Dec 29, 2008 10:01 am)

Yes. CD3 production is still in Hermosillo. The Fusion is also exported to South America and Ford can export from Mexico with no tariffs. Exporting from US to SA carries high tariffs.
 
If they get sales high enough to warrant another plant I'm sure it will be in the U.S.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid vs. Prius: Roominess [akirby] by coldcranker
Dec 29, 2008 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 29, 2008 10:26 am)

Markets are small in S. America. Not much money down there. The kinds of cars that do well there are minimal vehicles, built without emissions and safety standards that the Fusion has. Therefore, the Fusion is just not selling well in S. America.
 
Whats funny is that I can buy a Sonata, made in the USA, whereas if I buy a Ford Fusion, its made in a foreign country. Weird.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid vs. Prius: Roominess [coldcranker] by akirby
Dec 29, 2008 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 29, 2008 11:01 am)

If Ford was allowed to build cars in the U.S. the way Hyundai does (and all the other imports) then there would be more U.S. production. But they can't, and I don't want to get started on the reasons why.
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Toyota Patents by akirby
Dec 29, 2008 (12:00 pm)
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I also wanted to point out that the 2010 Fusion uses NO Toyota licensed patents - none. The Escape only used 22 out of hundreds anyway, but they've redone whatever was infringing on the Toyota patents.
 
So no more "they bought it from Toyota" crap. Cause if they did then it would only get 33/34 mpg just like the Camry.
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Re: Toyota Patents [akirby] by gagrice
Dec 29, 2008 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 29, 2008 12:00 pm)

So no more "they bought it from Toyota" crap. Cause if they did then it would only get 33/34 mpg just like the Camry.
 
It is good to see Ford doing some innovation that leapfrogs the Imports. It may be what they need to keep out of Bankruptcy.
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I'll go there. by milkman1
Dec 29, 2008 (4:32 pm)
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They make the Fusion in Mexico to avoid the UAW. The Japanese automakers open their plants in right to work states and avoid labor unions taking hold in the first place. The US makers get knocked around by the union when they try and step out of line, example GM and their Saturn plant. US makers are better off importing their own cars. You know, there used to be one brakeman for each rail car on a train. Those jobs went away too because a more efficient means of completing the work was invented. You know, like the cotton gin etc. Teach your kids to do something new auto workers, your compensation is out of line with your skill (mostly). Thanks, The Management
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Re: Toyota Patents [akirby] by kdhspyder
Dec 30, 2008 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 29, 2008 12:00 pm)

Yes for the present the FFH has the lead by a good margin in the FE race for the midsized autos. It's a great step and good timing by Ford.
 
Now the ball is in Toyota's court to respond. We all benefit by this. Thanks Ford.

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