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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 15, 2009 11:19 am) The Insight is a good compromise from a real car, I admit, for those that don't mind the skinny tires and SLOW acceleration (0-60 mph in about 11 seconds, a snail's pace). The Fusion Hybrid is a real car, not wimpy. kdhyspyder also said "The Insight IMO will be a HUGE hit and put a real hurtin' on GM and Ford and Toyota and Mazda and Nissan because it will hit them squarely in the middle of their compact car segment where the Corolla, Focus/Fiesta, Sentra, Accent, Mazda3 and Cobalt live. Honda's gain in the Insight II will come at the expense of these non-hybrids, not the Prius or FFH or TCH. " Actually, you can get a new Sentra right now for $10,000, half the price of an Insight. Comparably equipped, the Sentra with automatic and air, will come in at about $13,000, much cheaper than a maybe-$20,000 Insight. Still, as Ford's Fusion Hybrid deserves the most credit here for how they are stomping the Camry Hybrid, Honda and Toyota are providing the Insight and Prius that are cheaper to buy than a Fusion Hybrid, so kudos to them. The winner will be the consumer. All that being said, I'd still rather just buy a 4-cylinder Fusion with automatic and get my 33 MPG EPA hiway mileage, and save the $7,000 into a CD, the diff from a comparably equipped Fusion 4-cylinder and its Hybrid cousin. For some, they will want a hybrid, and if you do over 15,000 miles per year, you can make the difference up. However, with a hybrid, you will sacrifice braking, steering, and some safety performance with all those expensive, heavy batteries under your butt. With the addtion of direct injection and start/stop tech in a standard Fusion, you can boost the MPG another 10% anyway for an additional $900 of equipment, so hybrids just aren't the future for me.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 15, 2009 2:41 pm) $13000 Sentra's are loss leaders at best. That's not truly indicative of the market price for this model. If so that would put the Versa well under $10000... Sorry can't buy it.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 15, 2009 4:37 pm) |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 15, 2009 4:37 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 16, 2009 9:15 am) Bottom line, if a consumer can live with snail-slow acceleration in the Insight/Prius, either one, then those might be a good choice. The Fusion Hybrid (191 HP, 3700 lbs) accelerates 0-60 mph in about the same time as my '05 Freestyle (203 HP, 3900 lbs), which is 8.5 seconds, instead of the slow 10 or 11 seconds it takes an Insight/Prius to meander to 60 mph. Also, the Fusion Hybrid will handle best.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 16, 2009 6:18 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 16, 2009 7:16 pm) The subject of this thread is the Fusion Hyb. It will come in at $27,000, so people are going to have to add a lot to the normal Fusion's (comparably equipped) 4-cyl version coming in at a mere $20,000. This is somewhat of a problem for me, but not for many people who crave hybrids. The Prius/Insight discussion gives us some perspective on what people are willing to pay extra for all those batteries and electric motors in addition to a gas engine and transmission and extra computers to run it all and the extra weight, performance penalties.. whew! |
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 16, 2009 7:16 pm) Your perception of the market is off, sorry. The Insight II is a Honda Fit with a $1500 hybrid option. The Honda Fit was sold out and oversubscribed  $17000 MSRP until the recession hit us over the head. A $1500 option for 42-45 mpg day-in and day-out is a small upcharge and it fits ( ewwww ) right into the expectations of that buying segment. Yes if you look at the price through the eyes of the most hardnosed frugal buyer that won't buy unless the final price is sweating blood then yes the Insight $18500 is out of the question. But this is a HUGE HUGE market and if the Fit can be oversubscribed at $17000 MSRP the Insight II will also.....when the market recovers of course. Back to the FFH. This is the same good situation that Toyota has found itself in with the TCH. Fusion buyers range from $19000 to $30000. In this range there are enough who want to spend less on fuel to support the FFH. All buyers? Of course not. But there are enough. The good press that the FFH and Ford are getting will drive even more into the stores. Those that would consider a TCH at $27000 ( a very typical Toyota buyer ) will also shop this new guy on the block to see if the reports are true. You're viewing the pricing from the pov of a frugal I4 buyer looking to keep the cost of the vehicle as low as possible and still get decent fuel economy. Now look at it from the pov of a V6 buyer who wants some amenities, in fact would never drive or buy a base model, and normally expects to pay $25000 - $30000 for the vehicle. Now the FFH looks like a bargain. Look at it from the pov of one of the millions of Explorer owners who are now ready to dump their SUV that got 17 mpg. Those buyers always spent $30000+ for their wheels. Now for $30000 they get a loaded FFH and 38 mpg? They're in heaven. But it's a HUGE, HUGE market with a wide variety of price/value points. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 17, 2009 4:31 am) I think you're missing something here....if someone is looking for a V6, many are looking for power in most cases. Another large portion are looking for the artificial self-worth that comes from a "V6" badge. How many out of those two groups would consider a "greenie weenie" hybrid powertrain? THat is how some people think of hybrids still, you know (especially some of the ones who want that V6 badge). Admittedly, the rest, who are getting the V6 simply because that's the highest line trim out there would happily consider a hybrid powertrain as opposed to the V6, especially if the Hybrid trim matches the highest line as far as available options. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 17, 2009 5:21 am) In summary, the typical Fusion Hybrid buyer will see its relatively slow accel as acceptable, looking for a good handling, robost hybrid with great MPG. |
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