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Ford Fusion Hybrid, Mercury Milan Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Sedan
#174 of 1144 Re: . [akirby]
Jan 14, 2009 (6:22 am)
If it hasn't failed by now I don't think it will. And there's no reason to think the Fusion will be any different based on it's track record.
I agree with you, but the point I was attempting to make is that Ford does not have the reputation regarding their hybrids that Toyota has. It's been well publicized that Toyota's hybrids are very reliable. I'd say most people aren't aware of a hybrid Escape.
With the 2010 Fusion, I think Ford definitely has a winner. GM still looks lost as ever.
#175 of 1144 Re: . [dieselone]
Jan 14, 2009 (7:16 am)
But Ford's overall reputation for quality is becoming widely known (finally), especially on the Fusion. So you have a vehicle with stellar quality and a hybrid system that's been proven in the Escape. I don't see a problem.
#176 of 1144 Re: . [akirby]
Jan 14, 2009 (7:58 am)
I agrree and I am in about to go pre-order my Milan Hybrid. Going to sell my MKZ.
Jan 14, 2009 (8:28 am)
bigt said: "I agrree and I am in about to go pre-order my Milan Hybrid. Going to sell my MKZ."
Smart move. Fun one, too. I'm guessing you'll have it in another 4 months. The delay will be caused by the glowing Feb. 2009 Car and Driver test review of it spiking demand.
#178 of 1144 Re: Honda Insight (and Prius) wimps compared to Fusion. [coldcranker]
Jan 15, 2009 (8:07 am)
Well, the upcoming Honda Insight got its first test from Edmunds recently. Its small like the Prius, and has even wimpier wheels/tires, 15" 175mm wide tires. The Prius has 15" 185 mm tires. They're now saying they expect the Insight to have EPA MPG figures of about 40 for both city/hiway, about the same as the Fusion. The Fusion hybrid will be a roomier, larger, more useful vehicle for those that need the interior space, and the Fusion will be safer (larger vehicle). The Insight will be priced much cheaper than a Fusion or Prius, so there is an advantage there.
#179 of 1144 Re: Honda Insight (and Prius) wimps compared to Fusion. [coldcranker]
Jan 15, 2009 (8:10 am)
Plus, contrary to that report, the Insight will get significantly better mileage.
#180 of 1144 Re: Honda Insight (and Prius) wimps compared to Fusion. [gregg_vw]
Jan 15, 2009 (8:30 am)
Huh? Contrary to the report that it will get about the same mileage as the Fusion, it's going to get more? Based on what information exactly?
#182 of 1144 Good Job Ford
Jan 15, 2009 (8:39 am)
Ford Fusion Kicks Tail among family-hauler hybrids
Ford has a weiner.
Ford has pulled off a game changer with this 2010 model, creating a high-mpg family hauler that’s fun to drive. That achievement has two components: First, the machinery is unexpectedly refined—call it Toyota slickness expressed with car-guy soul. Second, the electronic instrument cluster involves the driver, invites you into the hybrid game, and gives you the feedback needed to keep increasing your personal-best mpg number.
Or you can say the heck with it and opt for a minimum-distraction display that shows little beyond the speedo.
No matter which you ultimately choose, you’re welcomed to the game with green grass and blue sky, a dashboard notion so corny we would groan if it weren’t so vividly executed. Hybrid enthusiasts will select the expert screen. All eyes sweep to the power grouping that shows the level of battery charge beside two columns of discharge meters, one for power consumed to propel the vehicle, the other a sum of all accessory loads (lights, fans, air conditioning, stereo, etc.).
How far can you go without the engine? That’s the game. Easy on the accessory loads, of course, but whenever you’re moving, the propulsion meter gives you an EV bracket. Keep your propulsion power within the EV bracket by modulating the “gas” and you’ll drive on the battery, up to 47 mph under ideal circumstances. Call it a video game to go.
Under normal driving, the engine starts and stops far more often than in the other hybrids. It comes and goes stealthily. Your wife won’t notice, and you probably won’t, either, unless you’re really into the hybrid game.
Nothing about the leather-lined test car, optioned up from its $27,995 base price to $32,555, seemed economy minded except for the mileage readings. On that score, the Fusion topped the others, turning in a 34-mpg score card for the overall 300-mile test run. It also finished highest in two of the three specialized tests, with a 34.3-mpg mark on the rural loop and 36.9 mpg on the city loop. Official EPA fuel-economy numbers are 41 mpg city, 36 mpg highway, roughly 720 city miles between fill-ups. For a four-door with civilized room for five, that’s a standing-O achievement.
Though the Fusion gets out-hustled by the Altima and the Camry—at 3805 pounds, the Ford is the heaviest of the four—we think 8.5 seconds to 60 mph is just fine considering the fuel economy. All of these players were too tightly grouped in braking and roadholding to draw significant distinctions, but for the record, the Fusion did tie with the Altima at 0.80 g for top marks on the skidpad. The suspension feels nicely taut, well planted. The tires communicate more than the Camry’s and speak in tones more refined than the Altima’s.
As in the Altima and the Camry, the power delivery of the Fusion’s CVT is hard to hold steady in cruising conditions. The test logs include many comments about “surging.” Engaging the cruise control deals with it every time.
Ford really hit all the marks with this hybrid Fusion, combining excellent fuel economy with slick manners and an engrossing personality. Fun and fuel economy have finally gotten married in a mid-size sedan.
#183 of 1144 Re: Honda Insight (and Prius) wimps compared to Fusion. [gregg_vw]
Jan 15, 2009 (8:48 am)
Likewise fewer and smaller battery packs storing less energy, which hurts fuel efficiency. It's a tradeoff. Their more "normal" drive got them 44 MPG. That 60+MPG figure was what they call an 'efficiency drive" which was a Honda-designed 16 mile loop (which means it was designed for the Insight to get REALLY good MPGs, probably with the hills set up so that it re-gens exactly enough battery power to get up the next one or something) and A/C was unnecessary.
Basically we have to see what the EPA says. That's the ultimate level playing field, where the vehicles are tested under the exact same neutral conditions. Though i have to admit that Insight is one sharp-looking vehicle; MUCH better looking than the Prius. And I do like hatches.
I may put this up against the I4 Fusion...though the Fusion has Sync.