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Re: [kdhspyder] by akirby
Jan 13, 2009 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm)

I believe they're using a different battery supplier for the FFH (Sanyo??). They're still constrained by battery capacity though.
 
How many TCHs did Toyota sell last year?
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Re: [akirby] by larsb
Jan 13, 2009 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 13, 2009 6:21 am)

For the 2008 calendar year, Camry Hybrid sold 46,272 units, a drop of 15.1% from the year before.
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Re: release date? [akirby] by gregg_vw
Jan 13, 2009 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 12, 2009 3:17 pm)

The other thing to question is - if they can get such great mileage out of the Prius - why is the Camry hybrid so low? That's the real comparison for the FFH, not the Prius. The Camry hybrid does not get "low" mileage. It is a bigger, heavier, roomier car than the Prius, it is equipped like a luxury car, and it gets better mileage than all intermediates, save the Fusion hybrid. The Prius as I am sure you know is a dedicated hybrid, with comcommitant weird styling and very low hp relative to the Camry. The Fusion leapfrogged the Camry a bit...I expect the next Camry hybrid (the current one is several model years older than the 2010 Fusion) will show strides as well.
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Re: release date? [gregg_vw] by larsb
Jan 13, 2009 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 13, 2009 1:45 pm)

Remember, too, that until we get cars on the road a "real world" drivers tell us the MPG the new Fusion/Milan is really getting, we don't really have good comparison data.
 
Since the FEH is the best-mileage hybrid SUV on the road, it's not surprising that the FFH/MMH will have a strong number for it's size.
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Re: release date? [gregg_vw] by akirby
Jan 13, 2009 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 13, 2009 1:45 pm)

I meant low in comparison to the Prius and the FFH. My point was that you can't compare the FFH fuel economy to the Prius because it's a different vehicle from the Camry/Fusion.
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. by dieselone
Jan 13, 2009 (6:05 pm)
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One big advantage Toyota has is their hybrid's have been reliable. While I haven't heard anything bad about the hybrid Escape, the Fusion will be unproven. That said, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Prius. I don't need to make a statement. Hell, I love my '07 Expedition that I use to tow our boat and camper. The Camry Hybrid seems to be a good car, but to stale a driving experience for me. I've driven many Camry's and their steering feel is like a Buick, horrible IMO. The Fusion would be my pick, decent acceleration, with good steering and chassis performance, plus class leading FE.
 
I read the C & D comparison and at least Ford seems to have something for their efforts. As usual GM is a mess as the Malibu hybrid is basically a joke. I'm thinking the Volt will to be to late.
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Re: . [dieselone] by kdhspyder
Jan 14, 2009 (3:49 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 13, 2009 6:05 pm)

At $40000 the Volt won't even be a blip on the radar. It's too expensive, especially in this new world of diminished expectations and diminished credit availability.
 
Ford, Toyota and Honda have it right. Get the hybrid technology into the vehicles that the bulk of the customers actually can buy. GM needs it's 2-Mode technology in the Malibu tomorrow, but it's at least a year or two away. GM has all of its efforts wrapped up in the Volt.
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Re: . [dieselone] by akirby
Jan 14, 2009 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 13, 2009 6:05 pm)

While I haven't heard anything bad about the hybrid Escape, the Fusion will be unproven.
 
The Fusion hybrid system is just an improved version of the Escape system. The Escape system has been flawless as far as I know - they're even being used as NYC taxis. If it hasn't failed by now I don't think it will. And there's no reason to think the Fusion will be any different based on it's track record.
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Re: . [akirby] by dieselone
Jan 14, 2009 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 14, 2009 6:03 am)

If it hasn't failed by now I don't think it will. And there's no reason to think the Fusion will be any different based on it's track record.
 
I agree with you, but the point I was attempting to make is that Ford does not have the reputation regarding their hybrids that Toyota has. It's been well publicized that Toyota's hybrids are very reliable. I'd say most people aren't aware of a hybrid Escape.
 
With the 2010 Fusion, I think Ford definitely has a winner. GM still looks lost as ever.
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Re: . [dieselone] by akirby
Jan 14, 2009 (7:16 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 14, 2009 6:22 am)

But Ford's overall reputation for quality is becoming widely known (finally), especially on the Fusion. So you have a vehicle with stellar quality and a hybrid system that's been proven in the Escape. I don't see a problem.

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