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#164 of 882 Re: [bpizzuti] by kdhspyder Jan 12, 2009 (7:23 pm)
Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 6:45 pm) AFAIK Ford still has to use the same Japanese suppliers it did in the past for the near term. But...it has already signed a supply agreement with Johnson Controls/SAFT of France to be their main client. When it comes on stream is anybody's guess. I'd say 18 months for full production for Ford alone.   Oh, and who said that business needed to be fair? The business I know is kill, maim and crush...but do it with a smile and a handshake. Replies to this message: bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 7:26 pm) akirby (Jan 13, 2009 7:21 am) larsb (Jan 13, 2009 7:40 am)
#165 of 882 Re: [kdhspyder] by bpizzuti Jan 12, 2009 (7:26 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 7:23 pm) Oh, and who said that business needed to be fair? The business I know is kill, maim and crush...but do it with a smile and a handshake.   Actually, I've always thought of it as more of a football game. You can get away with murder so long as the refs don't throw the yellow flag. Then you're gonna get penalized.
#166 of 882 Re: [kdhspyder] by akirby Jan 13, 2009 (7:21 am)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 7:23 pm) I believe they're using a different battery supplier for the FFH (Sanyo??). They're still constrained by battery capacity though.   How many TCHs did Toyota sell last year? Replies to this message: larsb (Jan 13, 2009 7:40 am)
#167 of 882 Re: [akirby] by larsb Jan 13, 2009 (7:40 am)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 13, 2009 7:21 am) For the 2008 calendar year, Camry Hybrid sold 46,272 units, a drop of 15.1% from the year before.
#168 of 882 Re: release date? [akirby] by gregg_vw Jan 13, 2009 (2:45 pm)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 12, 2009 4:17 pm) The other thing to question is - if they can get such great mileage out of the Prius - why is the Camry hybrid so low? That's the real comparison for the FFH, not the Prius. The Camry hybrid does not get "low" mileage. It is a bigger, heavier, roomier car than the Prius, it is equipped like a luxury car, and it gets better mileage than all intermediates, save the Fusion hybrid. The Prius as I am sure you know is a dedicated hybrid, with comcommitant weird styling and very low hp relative to the Camry. The Fusion leapfrogged the Camry a bit...I expect the next Camry hybrid (the current one is several model years older than the 2010 Fusion) will show strides as well. Replies to this message: larsb (Jan 13, 2009 2:52 pm) akirby (Jan 13, 2009 2:59 pm)
#169 of 882 Re: release date? [gregg_vw] by larsb Jan 13, 2009 (2:52 pm)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 13, 2009 2:45 pm) Remember, too, that until we get cars on the road a "real world" drivers tell us the MPG the new Fusion/Milan is really getting, we don't really have good comparison data.   Since the FEH is the best-mileage hybrid SUV on the road, it's not surprising that the FFH/MMH will have a strong number for it's size.
#170 of 882 Re: release date? [gregg_vw] by akirby Jan 13, 2009 (2:59 pm)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 13, 2009 2:45 pm) I meant low in comparison to the Prius and the FFH. My point was that you can't compare the FFH fuel economy to the Prius because it's a different vehicle from the Camry/Fusion.
#171 of 882 . by dieselone Jan 13, 2009 (7:05 pm)
One big advantage Toyota has is their hybrid's have been reliable. While I haven't heard anything bad about the hybrid Escape, the Fusion will be unproven. That said, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Prius. I don't need to make a statement. Hell, I love my '07 Expedition that I use to tow our boat and camper. The Camry Hybrid seems to be a good car, but to stale a driving experience for me. I've driven many Camry's and their steering feel is like a Buick, horrible IMO. The Fusion would be my pick, decent acceleration, with good steering and chassis performance, plus class leading FE.   I read the C & D comparison and at least Ford seems to have something for their efforts. As usual GM is a mess as the Malibu hybrid is basically a joke. I'm thinking the Volt will to be to late. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jan 14, 2009 4:49 am) akirby (Jan 14, 2009 7:03 am) dieselone (Jan 14, 2009 7:22 am) akirby (Jan 14, 2009 8:16 am) and 23 more...
#172 of 882 Re: . [dieselone] by kdhspyder Jan 14, 2009 (4:49 am)
Replying to: dieselone (Jan 13, 2009 7:05 pm) At $40000 the Volt won't even be a blip on the radar. It's too expensive, especially in this new world of diminished expectations and diminished credit availability.   Ford, Toyota and Honda have it right. Get the hybrid technology into the vehicles that the bulk of the customers actually can buy. GM needs it's 2-Mode technology in the Malibu tomorrow, but it's at least a year or two away. GM has all of its efforts wrapped up in the Volt.
#173 of 882 Re: . [dieselone] by akirby Jan 14, 2009 (7:03 am)
Replying to: dieselone (Jan 13, 2009 7:05 pm) While I haven't heard anything bad about the hybrid Escape, the Fusion will be unproven.   The Fusion hybrid system is just an improved version of the Escape system. The Escape system has been flawless as far as I know - they're even being used as NYC taxis. If it hasn't failed by now I don't think it will. And there's no reason to think the Fusion will be any different based on it's track record. Replies to this message: dieselone (Jan 14, 2009 7:22 am) akirby (Jan 14, 2009 8:16 am) bigt (Jan 14, 2009 8:58 am) and 22 more...

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