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by texases
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Jan 12, 2009 (3:49 pm)
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A smash, yes, if Ford can make enough of them...
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- #162 of 1054
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Re: [texases]
by gagrice
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Jan 12, 2009 (5:40 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jan 12, 2009 3:49 pm)
if Ford can make enough of them...
You can bet that Toyota will do everything in their power to undermine the parts supply as they did with the Escape Hybrid. They had common suppliers if memory serves me. And Ford claimed they were being held up by Toyota.
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- #163 of 1054
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Re: [gagrice]
by bpizzuti
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Jan 12, 2009 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 5:40 pm)
That could actually be a great piece of PR if Toyota sinks that low. However, it sounds as if a couple of new battery manufacturers are coming on-line in the States (well, assemblers maybe).
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- #164 of 1054
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Re: [bpizzuti]
by kdhspyder
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Jan 12, 2009 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 5:45 pm)
AFAIK Ford still has to use the same Japanese suppliers it did in the past for the near term. But...it has already signed a supply agreement with Johnson Controls/SAFT of France to be their main client. When it comes on stream is anybody's guess. I'd say 18 months for full production for Ford alone.
Oh, and who said that business needed to be fair? The business I know is kill, maim and crush...but do it with a smile and a handshake.
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- #165 of 1054
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Re: [kdhspyder]
by bpizzuti
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Jan 12, 2009 (6:26 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm)
Oh, and who said that business needed to be fair? The business I know is kill, maim and crush...but do it with a smile and a handshake.
Actually, I've always thought of it as more of a football game. You can get away with murder so long as the refs don't throw the yellow flag. Then you're gonna get penalized.
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- #166 of 1054
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Re: [kdhspyder]
by akirby
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Jan 13, 2009 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm)
I believe they're using a different battery supplier for the FFH (Sanyo??). They're still constrained by battery capacity though.
How many TCHs did Toyota sell last year?
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- #167 of 1054
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Re: [akirby]
by larsb
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Jan 13, 2009 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 13, 2009 6:21 am)
For the 2008 calendar year, Camry Hybrid sold 46,272 units, a drop of 15.1% from the year before.
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- #168 of 1054
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Re: release date? [akirby]
by gregg_vw
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Jan 13, 2009 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 12, 2009 3:17 pm)
The other thing to question is - if they can get such great mileage out of the Prius - why is the Camry hybrid so low? That's the real comparison for the FFH, not the Prius. The Camry hybrid does not get "low" mileage. It is a bigger, heavier, roomier car than the Prius, it is equipped like a luxury car, and it gets better mileage than all intermediates, save the Fusion hybrid. The Prius as I am sure you know is a dedicated hybrid, with comcommitant weird styling and very low hp relative to the Camry. The Fusion leapfrogged the Camry a bit...I expect the next Camry hybrid (the current one is several model years older than the 2010 Fusion) will show strides as well.
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- #169 of 1054
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Re: release date? [gregg_vw]
by larsb
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Jan 13, 2009 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 13, 2009 1:45 pm)
Remember, too, that until we get cars on the road a "real world" drivers tell us the MPG the new Fusion/Milan is really getting, we don't really have good comparison data.
Since the FEH is the best-mileage hybrid SUV on the road, it's not surprising that the FFH/MMH will have a strong number for it's size.
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Re: release date? [gregg_vw]
by akirby
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Jan 13, 2009 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 13, 2009 1:45 pm)
I meant low in comparison to the Prius and the FFH. My point was that you can't compare the FFH fuel economy to the Prius because it's a different vehicle from the Camry/Fusion.
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