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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Hybrid

1054 messages, Last post on Nov 01, 2009 at 2:52 PM

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#158 of 1054 Re: release date? [coldcranker] by akirby Jan 12, 2009 (3:17 pm)
Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 12, 2009 2:58 pm) The other thing to question is - if they can get such great mileage out of the Prius - why is the Camry hybrid so low? That's the real comparison for the FFH, not the Prius. Replies to this message: coldcranker (Jan 12, 2009 3:30 pm) kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 3:42 pm) gregg_vw (Jan 13, 2009 1:45 pm) larsb (Jan 13, 2009 1:52 pm) akirby (Jan 13, 2009 1:59 pm)
#159 of 1054 Re: release date? [akirby] by coldcranker Jan 12, 2009 (3:30 pm)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 12, 2009 3:17 pm) Right, the Fusion Hybrid handily beats the Camry Hyb in MPG, and is styled better as well in my opinion. Car and Driver, Feb. 2009 issue has the Ford Fusion Hybrid handling better, too. Toyota is so far taking a back seat to Ford. We'll see if the next Camry improves, because it needs to. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 3:42 pm)
#160 of 1054 Re: release date? [coldcranker] by kdhspyder Jan 12, 2009 (3:42 pm)
Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 12, 2009 3:30 pm) True this. With the FFH Ford has just hit an overhead smash into Toyota's court..it's up to them to react or lose the point.
#161 of 1054 by texases Jan 12, 2009 (3:49 pm)
A smash, yes, if Ford can make enough of them... Replies to this message: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 5:40 pm) bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 5:45 pm) kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm) and 3 more...
#162 of 1054 Re: [texases] by gagrice Jan 12, 2009 (5:40 pm)
Replying to: texases (Jan 12, 2009 3:49 pm) if Ford can make enough of them... You can bet that Toyota will do everything in their power to undermine the parts supply as they did with the Escape Hybrid. They had common suppliers if memory serves me. And Ford claimed they were being held up by Toyota. Replies to this message: bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 5:45 pm) kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm) bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 6:26 pm) akirby (Jan 13, 2009 6:21 am) and 1 more...
#163 of 1054 Re: [gagrice] by bpizzuti Jan 12, 2009 (5:45 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jan 12, 2009 5:40 pm) That could actually be a great piece of PR if Toyota sinks that low. However, it sounds as if a couple of new battery manufacturers are coming on-line in the States (well, assemblers maybe). Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm) bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 6:26 pm) akirby (Jan 13, 2009 6:21 am) larsb (Jan 13, 2009 6:40 am)
#164 of 1054 Re: [bpizzuti] by kdhspyder Jan 12, 2009 (6:23 pm)
Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 5:45 pm) AFAIK Ford still has to use the same Japanese suppliers it did in the past for the near term. But...it has already signed a supply agreement with Johnson Controls/SAFT of France to be their main client. When it comes on stream is anybody's guess. I'd say 18 months for full production for Ford alone. Oh, and who said that business needed to be fair? The business I know is kill, maim and crush...but do it with a smile and a handshake. Replies to this message: bpizzuti (Jan 12, 2009 6:26 pm) akirby (Jan 13, 2009 6:21 am) larsb (Jan 13, 2009 6:40 am)
#165 of 1054 Re: [kdhspyder] by bpizzuti Jan 12, 2009 (6:26 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm) Oh, and who said that business needed to be fair? The business I know is kill, maim and crush...but do it with a smile and a handshake. Actually, I've always thought of it as more of a football game. You can get away with murder so long as the refs don't throw the yellow flag. Then you're gonna get penalized.
#166 of 1054 Re: [kdhspyder] by akirby Jan 13, 2009 (6:21 am)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm) I believe they're using a different battery supplier for the FFH (Sanyo??). They're still constrained by battery capacity though. How many TCHs did Toyota sell last year? Replies to this message: larsb (Jan 13, 2009 6:40 am)
#167 of 1054 Re: [akirby] by larsb Jan 13, 2009 (6:40 am)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 13, 2009 6:21 am) For the 2008 calendar year, Camry Hybrid sold 46,272 units, a drop of 15.1% from the year before.

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