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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [akirby] by kdhspyder
Jan 09, 2009 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 09, 2009 1:02 pm)

Yes this is Ford's main blockage as of now.
 
Until they can get their JV with Johnson Controls/SAFT on line making batteries primarily for Ford vehicles they will be hamstrung.
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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [kdhspyder] by texases
Jan 09, 2009 (2:21 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 09, 2009 2:15 pm)

Well, great. Of the four cars in the CD comparison, the Fusion and Altima aren't likely available here in DFW (at a reasonable price, at least) and the Malibu's nothing special...back to the Camry, I guess...
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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [texases] by coldcranker
Jan 09, 2009 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jan 09, 2009 2:21 pm)

With all the FEH taxi cabs I've seen out there, and reports of them swarming all over New York City where they are put to best use, I don't see them as a low-volume vehicle, as some posters up above have alleged. And, yes, hybrids belong in usage where they see over 15,000 miles per year. Some will try to buy them as "toys", doing very little actual driving with them, but high-MPG vehicles like Priuses, FEH, and the Fusion hybrid will hopefully be available to high-use fleets to make the most impact on the nation's gasoline consumption.
 
I agree with the advantage the Fusion hybrid will have in being a much better handling and robust vehicle than the wimpy Prius. I could get rid of the Prius's electric motors & batteries, put in a smaller engine, get the same overall 0-60 accel times, and probably get an EPA 33 city/ 42 hiway easily in a much cheaper vehicle. (Let me keep the start/stop engine tech.) That body Prius's come in accounts for a lot of the MPG increase (tiny wheels, narrow body).
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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [coldcranker] by explorerx4
Jan 09, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 09, 2009 4:02 pm)

what i mean by low volume is due the lack of capacity to make large numbers of them.
i also think that all those hybrid FEH taxi's running around NYC are the reason why so few are for sale at the retail level in my region (however ford defines that).
as i posted earlier, there are plenty available for retail for sale in SO CAL.
if i recall correctly, ford builds about 25k FEH's anually.
the FFH is expected to be produced at about the same level, for now.
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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [texases] by gagrice
Jan 09, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jan 09, 2009 2:21 pm)

back to the Camry, I guess...
 
I would say the Camry Hybrid is your best choice. You should get a near invoice deal on one. I checked the first two dealers in San Diego out of 9 dealers and they have 40 Camry Hybrids on their lots. Mossy Toyota has 106 Prius. So you can probably name your price on a Toyota hybrid about now.
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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [gagrice] by akirby
Jan 09, 2009 (8:26 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 6:28 pm)

Who would have thought that you have to pay MSRP or above and get on a waiting list for a Ford while Toyotas are selling at invoice and sitting on the lot gathering dust.
 
My goodness, how times have changed.....
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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [akirby] by gagrice
Jan 09, 2009 (8:57 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 09, 2009 8:26 pm)

You have to be a Ford salesman. I do wish you all the best. I think that Ford will come out the winner on the Domestic front. They have the only domestic vehicles I would consider. If you have any stroke get them to put a 4 cylinder diesel in the Flex and you have sold me. I like a functional looking vehicle. I hate most of the styles on the market today. I would probably be most interested in an Expedition with a 6 cylinder diesel. That would be more my idea of the way to go. I don't see a luxury hybrid worth having on the market.
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Fusion Hybrid by fho2008
Jan 10, 2009 (3:34 am)
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Seems like Ford has a winner here. Cant say the same for ford credit. Liked my Fusion, Like my new car better. Ford credit........
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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [coldcranker] by kdhspyder
Jan 11, 2009 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 09, 2009 4:02 pm)

I agree with the advantage the Fusion hybrid will have in being a much better handling and robust vehicle than the wimpy Prius. I could get rid of the Prius's electric motors & batteries, put in a smaller engine, get the same overall 0-60 accel times, and probably get an EPA 33 city/ 42 hiway easily in a much cheaper vehicle. (Let me keep the start/stop engine tech.) That body Prius's come in accounts for a lot of the MPG increase (tiny wheels, narrow body).
 
This is false.
 
I can tell from what you wrote that you've never been shown just how they operate nor how quick they are nor what the real acceleration is. Keeping abreast of news is one of the best features of this site, but you're 5 yrs out of date on your misconceptions. Hey they've only been out for 8 yrs so that's not too bad.
 
Wrong on the acceleration
Wrong on the theory that a smaller motor in a 2800 lb vehicle would get better fuel economy. You'd propose a 1.3L engine?
Wrong on 'small wheels'
 
C'mon stay up to date.
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Re: Ford Fusion?Mercury Milan specs/info [kdhspyder] by bpizzuti
Jan 11, 2009 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 11, 2009 1:09 pm)

It's a 2900 pound vehicle with the hybrid system. You can't seriously be implying that the battery pack, electric motors, etc, only weigh 100 lbs? Shrink the weight that much and the Prius may just get high 30s on a 1.5L engine.
 
67.9 in is pretty narrow for a midsize vehicle. It's narrower that a Civic or Elantra, in fact. Also, it uses 15 inch wheels with an option for 16 inchers. In the midsize category, 16 inch wheels is the typical base these days, with 17 inch wheels as an upgrade option. 15 inch wheels are small, whether in a compact or midsize.
 
You were saying?

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