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Replying to: akirby (Jan 09, 2009 6:11 am) I only look at it from the customers viewpoint. There is a good argument for the dealer also. I just do not subscribe to the easy transaction that costs the consumer $thousands$ of dollars. I have done very well selling 4 vehicles on Craigslist over the last 3 years. It amounted to about $20k in my pocket instead of the dealers. So I did not allow myself to get "screwed" out of that money for an easy transaction. Not everyone has the patience to list a vehicle every week on Craigslist for a year until a buyer comes along. Just trying to point out that the dealer isn't "screwing" anybody on trade-ins (in most cases). In my last attempt to trade in a vehicle, I was offered about $6k under Edmund's wholesale figure for my like new vehicle. And I graded it "Good" not outstanding as it actually was. So if I was easy that GMC dealer would have SCREWED me royal. I ended up selling the truck on Craigslist for $7k more than the dealer offered. They would have made a profit on the Denali I was interested in. Glad I did not buy it. I got a much better deal on a superior Sequoia, by not getting in a hurry. The issue is, will there be any good deals on a Fusion Hybrid. If they control the distribution as they have with the Escape Hybrid, I would guess NO GOOD DEALS.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 6:50 am) It is possible the dealer was simply lowballing you but if that was the case then they should have increased their offer when you didn't accept the lowball price. Trading in is selling wholesale and really no different than taking the vehicle to the auction - you get market price and it may be really low. Selling it yourself retail is a totally different story - you just have to find one buyer willing to buy it. I'm not arguing that selling it yourself is better - it almost always is. But that doesn't mean that a dealer offering a low trade-in price is ripping you off. Maybe the dealer already had 10 of that type of vehicle and just didn't want another one. If you really want to get a reasonable trade-in price, go let carmax appraise it for you. They'll buy it from you (wholesale of course) without purchasing another vehicle, so what they offer will be a good indication of what the vehicle is actually worth.
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 09, 2009 8:07 am) |
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I thought this was the place to get specifics about these vehicles. I understand that the hybird system would be about different, resulting in better mileage than Escape/Mariner hybrid. Instead, it seems most of the posting are about people being pushed off the road by wind, trade in values, etc. Where can I go to info on these cars? The lack of availability of Ford's hybrids is part of their economic woes. Instead of getting these out, they seem to have little interest in selling them. Instead they keep pushing SUVs and big trucks. They need to get their act together, if not, let them fail.
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Replying to: dgr124 (Jan 09, 2009 11:20 am) We're discussing Ford here, not GM.  Ford at least HAS a hybrid, and sells it in the places most likely to want it...primarily CARB states it looks like. They're getting away from the big SUVs, especially with the new Fusion.
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Replying to: dgr124 (Jan 09, 2009 11:20 am) Well, you can ask a specific question and get it answered - that's usually how forums work. So, what's your question? The lack of availability of Ford's hybrids is part of their economic woes. Instead of getting these out, they seem to have little interest in selling them. Instead they keep pushing SUVs and big trucks. They need to get their act together, if not, let them fail. Wrong. Ford's Escape hybrid lost money until this year. And while they will be profitable from now on the profit margin can't be very big. I'm sure they make more off of a fully loaded non-hybrid model. And the reason they are only selling 25,000 hybrid Fusions/Milans is because that's all the batteries they can get. Toyota pretty much cornered the battery market and there are few alternative resources available. Now that they're profitable Ford would love to build and sell more Fusion hybrids but they can't get enough batteries right now. Even so - they'll make more off of the non-hybrids, so I'm not sure why you think they need more hybrids or they'll fail - probably just the opposite. Although the publicity and buzz from the FFH will probably help overall sales.
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 09, 2009 1:02 pm) Until they can get their JV with Johnson Controls/SAFT on line making batteries primarily for Ford vehicles they will be hamstrung.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 09, 2009 2:15 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jan 09, 2009 2:21 pm) I agree with the advantage the Fusion hybrid will have in being a much better handling and robust vehicle than the wimpy Prius. I could get rid of the Prius's electric motors & batteries, put in a smaller engine, get the same overall 0-60 accel times, and probably get an EPA 33 city/ 42 hiway easily in a much cheaper vehicle. (Let me keep the start/stop engine tech.) That body Prius's come in accounts for a lot of the MPG increase (tiny wheels, narrow body). |
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