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1054 messages, Last post on Nov 01, 2009 at 2:52 PM
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 6:56 am) However ( this is my own opinion only ) since the Prius was developed as a JDM vehicle with a view toward that type of slow-and-go driving I feel that the 1.5L engine is on the small side for the weight and size of the vehicle. As you note it's great at 50-65 mph but the efficiency drops off significantly at 75-ish mph. This is the reason IMO that the new Gen 3 will get the 1.8L engine with a combined hp rating of 160 HP. The TCH on the other hand uses the 2.4L + HSD and it effortlessly gets 38-39 mpg at 75-ish mph - at least in my own anecdotal experience  . The ICE is better matched to the vehicle for higher speed driving. I assume that the FHH will be the same. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 10:13 am)
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Replying to: iwant12 (Jan 08, 2009 2:45 pm) 
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 10:15 am) my wife wants one, but there a NONE to be found for hundreds of miles from me. the dealers around here all say the same thing. 6 months to get one and it's MSRP. there are plenty in SO CAL. one dealer has a couple dozen of the exact vehicle she is looking for. discount from the MSRP to 32k would more than enough to pay for a couple of plane tickets, but it is a stretch overall.
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 08, 2009 6:30 pm) That's my worry with the FFH - it may only be $3k more msrp, but it could be $6k more transaction price. THAT'S a premium I won't pay!
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 9:10 am) sometimes it is the wind combined with slick roads. i do drive a fusion.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 10:15 am) He is a horrible shopper. I try to coach him. He just wants to go in and sign on the line. Been going to the same Ford dealer for 30 years or more. He should never trade either. There is NO WAY you will ever get top dollar from a dealer. You trade you get screwed simple as that. Unless of course the car is ready for the $1000 California buyout due to smog failure.
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Replying to: texases (Jan 08, 2009 6:37 pm) Ford, until it's JV with Johnson Controls/SAFT comes on stream, is limited on the supply of battery components it can secure. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 9:31 pm) If you get more than wholesale then the difference is coming out of the new vehicle price, with a few rare exceptions. It's no different than taking your vehicle and selling it at auction (which is quick and easy and a guaranteed sale). Just trying to point out that the dealer isn't "screwing" anybody on trade-ins (in most cases). You just have to understand that you're only getting wholesale value and that can also be affected by current inventory levels. If there is a glut of used explorers sitting on the lot and in the auctions then they won't bring very much. If a used vehicle is in high demand and short supply then the wholesale price goes up.
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 09, 2009 6:11 am) I only look at it from the customers viewpoint. There is a good argument for the dealer also. I just do not subscribe to the easy transaction that costs the consumer $thousands$ of dollars. I have done very well selling 4 vehicles on Craigslist over the last 3 years. It amounted to about $20k in my pocket instead of the dealers. So I did not allow myself to get "screwed" out of that money for an easy transaction. Not everyone has the patience to list a vehicle every week on Craigslist for a year until a buyer comes along. Just trying to point out that the dealer isn't "screwing" anybody on trade-ins (in most cases). In my last attempt to trade in a vehicle, I was offered about $6k under Edmund's wholesale figure for my like new vehicle. And I graded it "Good" not outstanding as it actually was. So if I was easy that GMC dealer would have SCREWED me royal. I ended up selling the truck on Craigslist for $7k more than the dealer offered. They would have made a profit on the Denali I was interested in. Glad I did not buy it. I got a much better deal on a superior Sequoia, by not getting in a hurry. The issue is, will there be any good deals on a Fusion Hybrid. If they control the distribution as they have with the Escape Hybrid, I would guess NO GOOD DEALS.
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