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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [gregg_vw] by akirby
Jan 07, 2009 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 07, 2009 2:53 pm)

I guess I wasn't clear. When I say there is a premium for the hybrid all I mean is you have to may more up front for the hybrid powertrain. Even if the MSRP difference is only $2K (no way it's less than that if you're comparing apples to apples) you have to figure that you can get another $2K in discounts on the ICE compared to the hybrid at MSRP or above. So the real world difference is more like $4k. It could be even less than that but it depends on the vehicle.
 
You then have to take into account a lot of other factors - insurance, finance charges, resale value (which depends on how long you keep it), tax credits, maintenance and fuel costs - to see which one is cheaper. I admit that if the upfront costs are low and there are tax credits then the hybrid may pay off in just a few years - but it depends.
 
This all assumes that you've decided you want to buy a TCH or FFH and the only question is whether you should get the hybrid or the I4 ICE, which is exactly what I would be doing since I'd pick the car I wanted first, then evaluate powertrain options.
 
If you're not willing to consider an ICE powertrain at all then it's a moot point anyway. Which I guess is what you guys are trying to say. If I wanted a hybrid then I'd buy one but I wouldn't try to rationalize it as being cheaper because there are always cheaper alternatives.
 
I'm done. Buy whatever you want and rationalize it any way that makes you feel better.
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Re: Hi. Not a regular here. [tankbeans] by texases
Jan 07, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: tankbeans (Jan 07, 2009 4:51 pm)

Re: the batteries, Toyota says they're proving to be very long-lived, life of the car kind of thing. One big advantage of hybrids over pure EVs is the ability to optimize the charge-discharge cycles. I think the Prius battery price is now around 3K, and it's guaranteed for 100k (150k in CA, I think).
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Re: Hi. Not a regular here. [texases] by explorerx4
Jan 07, 2009 (7:22 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jan 07, 2009 6:10 pm)

the funny this is, most of the owners (middle aged women) are convinced the batteries are going to fail. it probably won't happen.
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Re: Hi. Not a regular here. [explorerx4] by kdhspyder
Jan 08, 2009 (6:12 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 07, 2009 7:22 pm)

I think that may be WAY too broad a brush with which to paint that segment. If you preferenced it 'In my area it appears.....'
 
 
In this area that there are a lot of well-off middle aged women buyers, but also there are a lot of professionals - especially doctors, a HUGE segment of retirees, but the the majority is probably active military and ex-military families - mostly officers.
 
Yes the one of the fears of these first-time buyers is 'how long will the battery last?'. The data shows that there is no reason ever to have to replace the battery. Like anything else take care of it and it should last the life of the vehicle.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [kdhspyder] by gagrice
Jan 08, 2009 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 07, 2009 10:38 am)

I disagree, that's all. They all do wonderfully on the highway.
 
Probably they are ideal for your kind of 55-65 MPH level highways. On the other coast we have many highways posted up to 75 MPH with 8% grades. Cross winds that shut truck & RV traffic down for days at a time. I would say a vehicle like a Prius is marginal under those conditions. I would expect the Fusion hybrid to be good for all highway travel.
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Expect a $10k premium on the hybrid Fusion by gagrice
Jan 08, 2009 (7:16 am)
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If the economy stays in the tank and the Fusion Hybrid follows the Escape Hybrid it will be a big premium.
 
My brother in law just purchased a 2008 Escape AWD Limited in November. They wanted the Escape Hybrid. The only Escape hybrids available were 2009 models. They paid right at $22k for the loaded V6 Limited and Drew Ford would not go below $32k for the AWD Hybrid Limited. I doubt the hybrid will perform as well as the V6 and mileage is only marginally better. They are getting about 21 MPG with the car and love it.
 
They take about 3 trips per year to Washington where their son lives. They did not figure the 3 MPG highway gain with the hybrid was worth $10 grand.
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Re: Expect a $10k premium on the hybrid Fusion [gagrice] by larsb
Jan 08, 2009 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 7:16 am)

They could have got 29 MPG with the FEH AWD. That's the number at gh.com for that model. The 2WD is at 32 MPG.
 
So he is polluting more and paying more for fuel, but has a lower monthly payment.
 
He could have gotten about 38% better mileage with the Hybrid.
 
Tell him he screwed up. LOL !!!
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [gagrice] by larsb
Jan 08, 2009 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 6:56 am)

gary says, "I would say a vehicle like a Prius is marginal under those conditions. I would expect the Fusion hybrid to be good for all highway travel. "

What "areas on the other coast" are you talking about? Mountain ranges?
 
Why would a fusion, which is far less aerodynamic than a Prius, do better in high winds?
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [larsb] by gregg_vw
Jan 08, 2009 (8:56 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 7:38 am)

Crosswinds don't care much about front to back aerodynamics. Some of the more egg-shaped small cars are actually not so good in crosswinds. The Fusion hybrid is wider and weighs more. It will likely be better in crosswinds than the Prius.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [gregg_vw] by larsb
Jan 08, 2009 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 08, 2009 8:56 am)

Let me ask you. All of the readers here.
 
Have anyone of you EVER been forced off the road because of crosswinds????
 
Ever? In any vehicle?

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