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What if GM Dumps Saturn?

88 messages,  Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 7:58 PM

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Re: [dtownfb] by phaetondriver
Feb 21, 2009 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Feb 20, 2009 10:42 am)

I partially agree with you, but i have a different idea for saving Saturn, while helping GM stay alive, albeit a wounded and fallen giant.
My idea would be for GM to drop SAAB/Opel/Vauxhall and give the Saturn name to them. Let the three form one European company and market their "Best for US" cars here under the Saturn name. They would have all of the Saturn dealerships (that stay afloat during the transition) with loyal Saturn followers.
I believe this would help the European branch of the family and the domestic one.
I would love to see the Vectra, XR8i and Astra come over as is, and bring the Diesel/Turbo-Diesel engines too.
Unfortunately GM management and the stock holders are more interested in getting BailOut money than doing what has to be done to save GM and the US car companies.
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I Blew It !! by dinof
Feb 21, 2009 (12:01 pm)
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Back in October of 2007, Saturn offered to buy back my 2007
 Aura XR because of all the stir I was causing concerning the
 separating Rocker Panels. I refused saying that I liked the car too much to give it back. Instead I settled for a generous monetary compensation and kept the car. What a fool I was !!
  
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Re: I Blew It !! [dinof] by phaetondriver
Feb 21, 2009 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: dinof (Feb 21, 2009 12:01 pm)

So you don't love your XR anymore? Did it fall apart from the rocker panels up? Lose it's performance? Have sever brake rotor warpage? Piss you off some other way?
\Mine is still just as much fun and solid as it was the day I brought it home, only it gets much better gas mileage than it did two years ago.
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Re: I Blew It !! [phaetondriver] by dinof
Feb 21, 2009 (1:58 pm)
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Feb 21, 2009 12:54 pm)

No, I still enjoy the car: however, I'm just thinking about the fact that I only have 10,500 miles on the car and if it took a BBB
order to fix or reimburse me in 2007, when the company was still
solvent.......imagine what it will take to get warranty service on
it now, when they are completely broke. The rocker panels still allow dirt, water and road debris to enter all over the inside bottom
part of each door, but as yet nothing in the actual passenger
compartment !
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Re: [phaetondriver] by dtownfb
Feb 21, 2009 (7:40 pm)
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Feb 21, 2009 11:12 am)

Basically, this is (was) the plan GM had in place for Saturn. Saturns problems are deeper than a couple of new products. They have a good lineup now. The prob.lem is they had such a limited lineup for so long that Americans forgot about them. And GM treated them like the red head step child. Also the dealership network is small with only 400+ dealerships.
 
I agree about GM's management completely inept
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Re: [phaetondriver] by jchan2
Feb 21, 2009 (11:17 pm)
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Feb 21, 2009 11:12 am)

A Saturn-Saab-Opel spin-off would be very interesting indeed, although I have heard that the Saab-Opel relationship is a frosty one, and since Opel clears some serious bucks for GM in Europe, I doubt GM will dump Opel.
 
A Saturn-Saab tie-up would be interesting, though. The two could combine dealer networks (once the Saab stores move out of the Cadillac-Hummer dealers) and share product platforms, with minimal overlap if Saturn focuses on the low end, youth market while Saab aims a bit higher.
 
It'd be tough, especially given the economic situation today, but it's an interesting thing to ponder.
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by matrixgirl09
Feb 22, 2009 (6:20 am)
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The problem was they started off as budget friendly made in America cars. There are still many people who think they have the plastic panels and today walk in the Saturn dealership and find a bunch of cars that have the average price of 28k and up.
 
Most people do not know they are rebadged Opel cars. That is part of the problem. I think they should have changed their marketing strategy when they became part of GM.
 
Which cracks me up that GM/Ford keep trying to rebadge these small European cars and sell them over here - you can't do if the quality isn't there. This is the prime example.
 
Also you can get a Honda/Toyota base car with the same features or more as the Astra for less and get a much better resale value because of the quality reputation.
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Re: [matrixgirl09] by dtownfb
Feb 23, 2009 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: matrixgirl09 (Feb 22, 2009 6:20 am)

Only one of Saturn's cars are rebadged Opels. The problems with Astra is it does not excel in any area. There are at least 7 cars in their segment that beat the Astra on performance, price and/or fuel economy. Also how many people even know about the Astra?
 
Great point about peopel still think Saturn has a plastic body. People who have fond memories are the folks that owned a S-series, not an Ion, Vue, Relay, etc.
 
Hopefully Saturn can find a good company to partner with.
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Re: [dtownfb] by pafromfl
Feb 25, 2009 (8:52 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Feb 23, 2009 4:57 pm)

I bought a white manual-shift Astra XE hatchback and liked it so much that I gave to my daughter and upgraded to a slightly sportier XR. With about $3500 off of MSRP back in July and November, they were bargains, IMO. My other cars at the time were a BMW 330i and Chrysler 300 C Hemi, so I'm a little picky about handling and the overall fun factor. Even if GM weasels out from the warranty, I have no regrets.
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Re: [dtownfb] by dinof
Feb 26, 2009 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Feb 23, 2009 4:57 pm)

I believe that if you research the Saturn Aura, you will find that it
 also was a rebadged Opel .

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