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#3 of 20 Chrysler Grand Voyager
Mar 27, 2009 (6:14 am)
Hi This message comes from a "brother across the pond" I have a 2000 GV 3.3ltr petrol Auto with A/C. & I have just started with the braking problem like Paul. Likewise I was wondering if it was the booster ( is that what we would call the servo assisted brake ?). It is very frightening when it happens, more so because I have just paid £300 out on body repairs (wifes fault of course) Will let u know if we find out the cause. Could I ask, I need to replace the radiator & wondered if it was a difficult job because of the air conditiong. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
#4 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [tel4]
Mar 27, 2009 (6:31 am)
Yes, the booster would be called the servo assist across the pond. But please have all the vacuum lines checked first as they are more likely to fail rather than the booster itself, although that can happen too.
Of course the master cylinder itself and not the booster may be at fault especially in a high humidity environment like Ol' Blighty that may cause internal corrosion and premature seal failure. Have you had the brake fluid changed at all uptill now?
The radiator is straightforward even with air-con, but please be careful with the transmission oil cooler within the left hand tank of the radiator. Make sure you get a quality replacement and that the plumbing is done right, otherwise you will need a new transmission soon after the radiator.
Good Luck mate.
#5 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [tel4] & [rfederkeil]
Mar 27, 2009 (6:31 am)
Hi, I am having the same problem. I currently am running a 97 Voyager, a 2000 Town&Country LXi, a 97 Honda Accord and a 99 Daewoo Leganza. All vehicles have ABS brakes on them, and I changed brakes and rotors on all four of them prior to the problems showing up. ALL mecanical problems have been ruled out by me and confirmed by a mechanic friend who has his own auto repair shop. What he told me that the problem is, and it actually backed up something I have seen on the web in assorted locations and forums, is that the cars with the ABS Brake ystems must be hooked up to a "break-out box, or other proprietary electronic equipment, usually only owned by the car dealers, to activate the ABS system, and bleed them through activating the pump that way. At first, I found this extremely hard to believe or comprehend, and have done brake jobs in the past on ABS equiped cars and never had this problem. But now after it happening to 4 out of my 5 vehicles that all have ABS systems, I am becoming a believer. It Sux tho, because in this economy, who the heck can afford to be running to the dealers to pay their rates to have the brakes bled, or to a well equiped Brake shop that may have invested in this very expensive equipment? Also my understanding is that these "break-out boxes" are way too expensive to justify the home mechanics purchasing one. I guess they all get us by the short hairs one way or another
#6 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [tel4] & [rfederkeil] [joepeterson56]
Mar 27, 2009 (6:37 am)
Good points, but that situation usually arises only if air is let into the system while bleeding the brakes.
Two alternatives to taking the vehicle in, and I do not recommend either of them if one has not seen them done beforehand, is to use a pressure bleeder or cycle the ABS pump directly by hooking up wires depending on the type of vehicle.
#7 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [vcheng]
Mar 27, 2009 (6:40 am)
As far as a transmission cooler goes, I would follow the advice I got from a Chrysler dealer, and used. He reccomended that I purchase and install(which I did) an add-on auxiliary cooler that goes in front of the radiator, and run it inline with the one built into the radiator tank. That provides you with fresh air cooling as it is in front of the radiator where it gets fresh cool air before the radiator does, as well as the
anti-freeze and fan cooling. This dealer told me that the extra coolers were usually only installed on the vans manufactured and sold with towing packages, unless the buyer specified that he wanted one and had it put in at time of purchase. He also told me that the ones with the extra cooler had much lees problems and failures than the ones without them. Having done this on my 97 when I personally replaced the tranny, I am a believer. Happy motoring!
#8 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [joepeterson56]
Mar 27, 2009 (6:43 am)
I agree with this, an additional cooler is a good idea on these vehicles.
#9 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [tel4] & [rfederkeil] [joepeterson56] [vcheng]
Mar 27, 2009 (6:59 am)
Funny you mention this, and I should have as well my 2 Chrysler vehicles did get air into the systems. The way that happened, was that these vehicles are NOTORIOUS for the steel brake lines rusting through, and suddenly blowing out under pressure and you pedal goes straight to the floor! Wonder what kind of GARBAGE steel they use for these OEM lines. On both of mine, it happened right at the ABS valve body under the van under the drivers seat, right where the oultet lines tie in. On the 97, the lines were regular solid, bent tube design, and on the 00, it was the same 2 lines that rusted out, but on this model year, they substitued "Stainless Steel Flexible Braided lines" ha hah ! The flex lines rotted and blew out right where they were welded to the steel, and in fact, most parts stores, at least here in the CT/NY area do not carry them and have never seen them! On the Honda and Daewoo, no air got into the lines at all. I also completely changed/flushed the brake fluid.
I did bleed them all(cars) 4 times, and have also Vacumn Bled them, but none of that has fixed the problem. As far as your reccomendation, I would prefer option # 2 of jumping out the ABS system with jumper wires to engage the system, but cannot seem to find a wiring diagram for any of these systems that will tell me where and which wires to jump out. My mechanic buddy says he does not like or approve of the pressure bleeders. Why I don't know.
#10 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [tel4] & [rfederkeil] [joepeterson56] [vcheng] [joepeterson56]
Mar 27, 2009 (7:06 am)
Well, I could tell a few more stories about crappy engineering and the desire to save a few cents per part, but I do not think you nor I have enough time to do that here.
If you are that much into servicing your own vehicles, and I hope so, then an investment in factory service manuals will pay you several times over.
#11 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [tel4] & [rfederkeil] [joepeterson56] [vcheng] [joepeterson56] [vcheng]
Mar 27, 2009 (7:17 am)
I somewhat agree with your first sentence, but when running 5 cars and living on a fixed tight income, it runs into way more than a "few pennies"per part.
As far as the second one goes, I actually purchased a "factory" manual for the Daewoo, and it is useless!! Any chiltons I ever owned for any vehicle I ever owned,for every , which I stopped buying years ago, in favor of Haynes were better than that thing is ! I will say, the Honda Factory service book for a different year honda then the one I own, that I got my hands on was fantasic!
#12 of 20 Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [tel4] & [rfederkeil] [joepeterson56] [vcheng] [joepeterson56] [vcheng] [joepeterson56]
Mar 27, 2009 (7:45 am)
Please let me make my meaning more clear: The desire to save a few pennies per part referred to penny-pinching by the manufacturer, thereby shifting the burden of fixing crappy engineering onto the poor customer.
You are right that the quality of service information varies greatly. Daewoo is in the pits, but several other marques are very good. The Germans are very stingy too I think. I for one do try to take this into account when choosing my vehicles.
What you do is what I admire.