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Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [vcheng]
by joepeterson56
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Mar 27, 2009 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: vcheng (Mar 27, 2009 9:21 am)
 YES I AM< AND PROUD OF IT !!!!!! I have very much enjoyed our exchanges, thank you very much.  If you just think about things for a bit, we all have worked for a salary, which actually supports our employers as well as our families. Makes sense, when it works as it should. But, enter the GREED factor. It becomes more about big business and the "fat cats" who run it, wanting more and more and more, at the worker's and consumer's expense. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and those cosumers less in return as the qulity and life span of the products go down hill, and employees do not even get wage increases that keep in line with inflation or the raise in their employer's profits. One one winner in that situation!
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Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [joepeterson56]
by vcheng
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Mar 27, 2009 (9:41 am)
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Replying to: joepeterson56 (Mar 27, 2009 9:34 am)
Just to get back on topic, one more cause of a soft brake pedal in these vans that I was surpised slightly to find was the darn piston in the front calipers.
The darn thing is made of polyphenolic resin and has a tendency to crack with the inevitable heat recycling from the too-small brakes to begin with. I am sure it saved the bean counters few cents per peice over a proper metal piston.
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Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [vcheng]
by joepeterson56
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Mar 27, 2009 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: vcheng (Mar 27, 2009 9:41 am)
Tell me about it! I was the proud owner of a brand new 1984 Plymouth reliant staion wagon, started stalling out 2 blocks from the dealer the day I drove it off the lot. But that is another horror story of it's own! . It was the first of the only 3 brand new cars I ever bought in my life! It ate brakes and rotors constantly. Kept taking it bake to the dealer. Last time it happened, it made the most horriffic noise you could imagine. In fact it had the noise from the second time I took it in for the problems. They kept telling me all the parts were fine and wearing normal, so they just "blew everything out" with the compressor. That didn't satisfy me, so I pulled the front wheels to take every thing apart and see for myself what the problem was. Long story short, had to drive a socket onto the caliper mounting bolts on the drivers front with a 5 lbs hammer, and use a 3 ft pipe over the handle to crack the bolts loose. They were practically welded in place from all the heat. No signs that they were ever removed by the dealer. Pulled the caliper and pads,. Pads were metal on metal, and when I pulled the caliper off a piece of the plastic piston fell out onto the ground. Looked at the end of the piston, and it had been cracked for a very long time apparently, and the piece that fell out had somehow gotten wedged between the piston face and brake pad, eating up any play at all and keeping the brakes dragging until the day I pulled them. They never had that one apart, and I doubt the others either. That was when I decided to never set foot in a dealr or garage ever again and have done all my own repairs both major and minor ever since. 
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Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [joepeterson56]
by vcheng
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Mar 30, 2009 (4:31 am)
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Replying to: joepeterson56 (Mar 27, 2009 2:09 pm)
But of course!
The 1996 vans kept the old style under-specified calipers, plastic pistons and all, and I think that those calipers are still in service on the newer designs from ChryCo.
There is no substitute for doing whatever work one can do on one's vehicles ever. It may not be possible to do all the work, but even then understanding what is going on can be quite valuable.
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Re: Chrysler Grand Voyager [joepeterson56]
by tel4
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Mar 30, 2009 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: joepeterson56 (Mar 27, 2009 9:34 am)
I agree entirely with your comments - its just the same over here We have just bought a new motor home (RV) well Nov 08 & the only mileage that its done is backwards & forwards trying to get repairs done. Wednesday we are taking it back to the manufacturers to have 13 faults rectified. The agents have had attempts at repairs & but by the time you get home your back to square 1. Nobody seems to care any more, once they,ve got your cash thats it. Its the people at the top - polititians, bankers, public servants they just give you " 2 fingers" because they know it will just be a slap on the wrist. Over here its like living in 1 big nut house some of the rules & regulations they cunjure up. Have tried giving the old brake pedal a good stomping which seems to have done something ( to the Voyager)
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