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Re: Apparently, not in Japan [gagrice] by larsb
May 12, 2009 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 12, 2009 7:34 am)

Gary says, "Someone posted an article that Toyota is not highly regarded in Japan like it is here in the USA."
 
I have never heard THAT before. I tend to doubt that source. Maybe they just found a few owners in Japan who are not happy and made an assumption for the whole country? Where is that link?
 
But if true, it's reasonable in a WAY, because of the style of driving and the roads in Japan, and probably the pricing issue. Most Japanese people don't need a midsize car - they get along with smaller cars.
 
The Insight got there first because it's:
 
1. New
2. Cheaper
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Re: carried over from a Diesel News post thread [lemko] by kdhspyder
May 12, 2009 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 12, 2009 6:04 am)

They would have if the vehicle makers had any advance notice that fuel prices were going to go through the roof. But like everybody else in the world they were caught flat-footed. The lead time on increasing demand is 4 months minimum and 6 months typically. I was in that business for 30 yrs.
 
On top of that the US$ fell like a rock versus the JY so Toyota pulled back the supply of exports for the 2nd half of last year and all of this year.
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Re: Apparently, not in Japan [gagrice] by kdhspyder
May 12, 2009 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 12, 2009 7:34 am)

The Prius was always scheduled for production in April 09 with sales starting in May/June. Again forest/trees. The only figure that counts is year-end total sales.
 
The Insight II has had a free playing field for these last two months and next as the Gen 2 Prius winds down and the Gen 3 ramps up. Revisit this at the end of the year.
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Re: carried over from a Diesel News post thread [kdhspyder] by gagrice
May 12, 2009 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 12, 2009 9:38 am)

I am agreeing with you. The fuel prices were the main impetus in the sales of the Prius last year. It is Larsb that hates to believe that could be the main reason that hybrids sell well.
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Re: carried over from a Diesel News post thread [gagrice] by larsb
May 12, 2009 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 12, 2009 1:08 pm)

How many times I have to post this?
 
Gary says, "Toyota has put all its marbles into the wrong markets. The US buyer is fickle. And the meager Prius sales when gas is cheap, attests to my belief."
  
Gas prices and Prius sales do not have a direct correlation:
  
Sales in 2004: 53,991 Avg gas price 2004: $1.895
  
Sales in 2005: 107,897 Avg gas price 2005: $2.314
Gas prices went up, and so did Prius sales.
  
Sales in 2006: 106,971 Avg gas price 2006: $2.618
Gas prices went WAY up, and Prius sales BARELY dipped.
 
Especially notice the data in the last two years:
 
Sales in 2007: 181,221 Avg gas price 2007: $2.843
Gas prices went up, Prius sales went WAY up.
  
Sales in 2008: 158,884 Avg gas price 2008: $3.299
Gas prices went WAY up, Prius sales went DOWN.
  
There is no direct linear relationship between gas prices and Prius sales.
 
And people do not ONLY buy Priuses when gas prices are high.
  
People stopped buying Priuses when ALL car sales dropped. Not merely because gas prices came down.
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Re: carried over from a Diesel News post thread [larsb] by gagrice
May 12, 2009 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (May 12, 2009 2:46 pm)

"Have it your way Toyota!"
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Re: carried over from a Diesel News post thread [larsb] by dave8697
May 12, 2009 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (May 12, 2009 2:46 pm)

Tax incentives
pay a lot to not pollute
save gas
when gas was at $4, they said it will soon be $7
stop oil imports
I have to drive very far
availability
additional dealer margin
the health of the economy
 
these are 9 of the many factors affecting Prius sales.
 
gas prices ramped down from late Oct thru mid Dec 2008
 
what is the aug 2008 to jan 2009 prius sales look like as high gas ended?
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Re: carried over from a Diesel News post thread [dave8697] by larsb
May 13, 2009 (5:55 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (May 12, 2009 6:01 pm)

Yes, I agree on many of those factors.
 
I'm just pointing out that Prius sales don't fall off a cliff when gas is cheap.
 
A lot of Priuses sold BEFORE the gas spikes started.
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Re: I'm lost [fezo] by newyorker6
May 13, 2009 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 26, 2008 5:29 pm)

How does it look for leasing a 2009 Prius these days. I understand they may be hard to find. ??

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