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Does the current situation affect hybrid sales more?

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Re: Prius Sales Down 48% [gagrice] by larsb
Dec 04, 2008 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 8:22 am)

Gary says, "I would say hybrids have peaked and are headed down hill"
 
Wishful thinking, Oh Great Diesel Sniffer. (LOL)
 
Hybrid sales are not directly linked to lower gas prices. Hybrids were selling just fine with low gas prices three years ago.
 
What has changed is "the ECONOMY, stupids." (Stupids with an "S" on the end to include all of us, myself included.)
 
Not just hybrids, but ALL vehicle sales are basically on the downturn. People are just not buying new cars when their homes are in foreclosure or they just got laid off or are worrying about keeping groceries on the table and a roof over their kids heads.
 
The downturn in sales will happen to the Jetta TDI also, once all the initial Diesel Worshippers get their cars.
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how many jetta tdi were alloted to the NA market? by nwng
Dec 04, 2008 (4:35 pm)
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I don't think VW has shipped a lot of tdi cars over from the motherland this year. I have yet to see a new golf/jetta tdi on the road and I live in the birkenstock central of the eastern seaboard.
 
One thing the yaris can do and the prius can't: heel and toe shifting! And for that I will take a yaris 5 dr over a prius any given day. Car sat a prius for 3 months and hated every minute when I have to drive it.
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Re: Prius Sales Down 48% [larsb] by joshuag
Dec 04, 2008 (4:55 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 04, 2008 7:55 am)

At my job we have 5 Prius's and they get used to run all of our errands. For that they do a great job. But, if I were out buying a car right now, I have to say I would prefer a 14k dollar Elantra, and pocket the other 12k. I would never make up that difference in gas, plus I would get a 10 year warrantee over the Prius's 8.
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2009 Prius Pricing by jaicar
Dec 04, 2008 (5:58 pm)
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Ready to buy a 2009 Prius Pkg. # 6. Got a price in So. Cal. of $27,900. Anybody do better? If so, dealer?
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Re: Prius Sales Down 48% [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Dec 04, 2008 (11:11 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 7:39 am)

Right now no vehicle above $25000 is moving. Nothing. Everything is backed up on the lots. It takes about 6 months to slow the flow of shipments or to speed them up when demand changes. Remember in the spring when demand went out of sight and every Prius in the US was sold and waiting lists went to 6 months. Suddenly BLAM !! the market stops buying. All the efforts to catch up with those unfilled orders started flowing in here in Oct. That's when the public stopped buying. Fun business to be in at this time aye?
 
As regards the currency issue here is the data. See for yourself.
 
A $25000 Prius MSRP is shipped from Japan and sold to TMS here for about $20000 ( round numbers ). When that sale was made over the last 5 yrs with the Y/$ at about 110-120 : 1. That sale in the US returned about 2.3 MM JY to Toyota in sales revenue.
 
Today at 94 JY / US$ that same sale returns 1.9 MM JY. That's about a 20% loss in sales revenue. Why ship these to the States when they can be sold at home or in Europe or SE Asia with no currency loss?
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Re: Prius Sales Down 48% [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Dec 04, 2008 (11:19 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 8:22 am)

The Yaris is fine for short trips of a few miles and/or for the young of body and budget.
 
Under no circumstance will I ever consider owning/driving a Yaris given my personal situation. Thus in this case it is not even an option. The new Corolla, with certain amenities, is as small as I will go.
 
If I want to hold down purchase costs to be in the Yaris price range than I'm looking at a 3-4 year old Prius with 40000 miles or so on the clock. In this case I get the best of all options. The problem is finding one now. After getting 48 mpg in relative comfort these past 3 yrs there is no way I can go backwards in room, amenities, safety features and fuel economy.
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Re: Prius Sales Down 48% [joshuag] by kdhspyder
Dec 04, 2008 (11:26 pm)
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Replying to: joshuag (Dec 04, 2008 4:55 pm)

Ah Ha. You first must decide a few priorities.
 
Are you speaking of buying only NEW vehicles? Then yes the base model Elantra is a bargain and a logical choice. Personally I will not drive in anything that small. Just a personal choice.
 
But if your priority is minimizing the total cost of transportation then you have to open up the possibility of buying a used (xxx) ( Civic, Corolla, Prius, Elantra, Fusion ). Then it's just a matter of how cheap do you want to go? The baseline choice is a bicycle. Why not in good weather for short distances. I do that here on the Outer Banks in summer.
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Re: Prius Sales Down 48% [kdhspyder] by gagrice
Dec 05, 2008 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 04, 2008 11:11 pm)

Are the Prius selling well in the EU or Asia?
 
I do see the good side. With Toyota building a Prius factory in the USA, it will strengthen our weakening auto industry. When GM and Chrysler bite the bullet. Toyota should buy Jeep now that they are dumping that POC FJ Cruiser. Corvette would just about fill out the roster for ToyLex.
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Re: 2009 Prius Pricing [jaicar] by kirstie_h HOST
Dec 05, 2008 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: jaicar (Dec 04, 2008 5:58 pm)

This discussion is a better place for your question (and to look at others' previous comments):
Toyota Prius Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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Re: 2009 Prius Pricing [kirstie_h] by railroadjames
Dec 06, 2008 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Dec 05, 2008 10:35 am)

Addressing the issue presented here, I'd say that any vehicle is subject to this downturn recession. This period, that has all of us guessing just when will we hit bottom, is scary and no one is exempt. Well, maybe CEO's with huge parachutes. The industry as a whole is undergoing a stagnent period. Motorcycles, R.V.'s and automobiles and the like are in a tail spin. Indiana has record breaking unemployment due to R.V. no sales.and it's still rising. The steel industry too is also going thru dire times. Steel production falling off. Everyone looks to the Government to bail out Banks, Federal Corp.'s and now the Automakers. Tighten your seatbelts this is going to be a rough ride. I & many of my friends are still glad we own our Prius's as gas prices tumble. It was a tollerable ride thru the ups & downs of high gas prices.

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