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Hybrid Vehicles Does the current situation affect hybrid sales more?
108 messages, Last post on May 20, 2009 at 1:35 PM
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 01, 2008 6:24 pm)
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Replying to: nwng (Dec 03, 2008 10:49 am) About 1990 CARB mandated 10% ZEV cars by 1998 in CA. Clinton authorized a few billion to build next generation cars in 1993. The money was only allocated to the Big 3. They did in fact come up with high mileage hybrids. Toyota went to Japan and got funding to also build a hybrid at the same time. The Big 3 showed off their hybrids in 2000. The Dodge intrepid ESX was being tested in 1997. There are many stories as to why they never built them. Most was related to the high cost of lightweight materials. These cars were all capable of 72-80 MPG. The Big 3 were also working on EVs to satisfy the CA mandate. The impracticality of the lead acid and NiMH EVs was soon apparent. And with the hybrids just around the corner CARB changed their mind. That gave Toyota a great opening for the Prius. I know for a fact they could not give them away to start with. I test drove one of the first ones in San Diego. I thought it was cool and it was being offered for $20k with a great 8 year B to B warranty. Wife hated it and that ended the Prius in my garage. The Big 3 lost out because they did not think it would ever sell. It did and Toyota got the jump on the Big 3. http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/favorites/fcvt_fotw128.html
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 03, 2008 12:43 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 03, 2008 2:50 pm) That is how it happened. Sadly the RAV4 EV was a decent vehicle. Those that have them are still going. Some have replaced the NiMH with Li-Ion batteries. As is still the case, the batteries are expensive and will need to come down a lot to bring EVs back to the forefront.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 03, 2008 2:56 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 03, 2008 3:32 pm)
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Today's NY Times report big drop in all auto sales for November, as buyers are postponing purchases due to the economy. Of the top 16 most popular cars and trucks, the only increase is in the Malibu (all models) 9,400 autos, or + 35%, and the most decrease was in the Prius, 8,600 sold, -48%. The top five best sellers were: Ford Fseries (37,900, -18%), Chevy Silverado (29,500, -22%), Camry (25,200, -29%), Corolla (21,800, -13%), and Civic (17,700, -29%).
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 03, 2008 4:05 pm) |
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Replying to: imscf (Dec 03, 2008 4:14 pm) If that is the case I may have to reverse my earlier post. I simply didn't think it would effect hybrids anymore than other cars. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 03, 2008 5:34 am) Oh did I mention currency currency currency .... again for the 27th time. The JY / US$ exchange rate stood at 94 / 1 yesterday !!!!! At this rate there is NO incentive at all to ship products form there to here. Every month this same subject comes up and every month I have to keep bringing up the reminder about the currency. With the industry down 20-30% for the year it's pretty strong that Prius sales are down only 10% due to the super strong in spring and summer
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