Article Comments - 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Journey

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Comparison Test: 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Journey - Sportiness transcends sheer door count when it comes to the desirability of a sedan these days, and two examples of this are the 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD and the 2009 Infiniti G37 Journey. Sedans only in form and more coupelike in dynamic function, these two cars take their sporting credentials seriously. (more)

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#5 of 19 by jaeger1 Nov 20, 2008 (3:31 pm)
This was an apples-to-apples comparison - as between the most performance-oriented versions of the TL and G. It happens that Acura packaged that as an AWD model. Infiniti didn't. While the G is available with AWD for those that want it, the most performance-oriented is the Journey Sport. Replies to this message: billyperks2 (Nov 25, 2008 10:38 am)
#6 of 19 Re: [jaeger1] by billyperks2 Nov 25, 2008 (10:38 am)
Replying to: jaeger1 (Nov 20, 2008 3:31 pm) According to the article the G is still unrefined and noisy-why would I want to spend time in a car thats fast, unrefined and noisy? Oh, I know, beacause I am biased towards the TL
#8 of 19 Re: [eblock2] by bvdj84 Nov 27, 2008 (4:00 pm)
Replying to: eblock2 (Nov 20, 2008 1:47 pm) infinity is made by Nissan right?
#10 of 19 Re: Article Comments - 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Journey [KarenS] by carlover33 Jan 18, 2009 (8:25 am)
Replying to: KarenS (Nov 20, 2008 9:14 am) The Acura handles much better than the G37 in my book---based on road feel, neutrality in cornering, and the ability to get the car to rotate in a turn...SH-AWD is worth it. Replies to this message: sam_k (Jul 08, 2009 7:18 am) arobs (Jul 27, 2009 7:08 am) sam_k (Jul 27, 2009 7:53 am) billyperks2 (Jul 27, 2009 8:26 am) sjaieve (Jul 31, 2009 10:27 am)
#11 of 19 Re: [jaeger1] by ingvar Jun 17, 2009 (6:35 am)
Replying to: jaeger1 (Nov 20, 2008 1:34 pm) Can someone please explain why Honda is so wedded to retro 5 speed trannies when the premium luxury / performance sedan segment has moved waaaaay past that? They can't build good new trannny and afraid of history 2001-2003 trannies recall. I had TL and accord before, wasn't happy at all.
#12 of 19 Re: Article Comments - 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Journey [carlover33] by sam_k Jul 08, 2009 (7:18 am)
Replying to: carlover33 (Jan 18, 2009 8:25 am) I disagree. I test drove both the G37 and Acura TL SH-AWD and I think the G37 handles better. I ended up getting the G37xS ( i.e. AWD with sport package). The Infiniti is a RWD based AWD system and the Acura is a FWD based AWD system and RWD cars almost always handle better thean FWD cars. There are a few other reasons why the G37x should handle better than the TL SH-AWD. The G37x is 200 pounds lighter than the TL SH-AWD and the G37 has a longer almost a 3 inch wheelbase but it's over 8 inches shorter length than the TL SH-AWD so there's less front/rear body overhang. The only thing in Acura's favor is that Acura's AWD system is more advanced than the one in the G37. The strange thing is that the length and width of the TL is almost the same as the Infiniti M, BMW 5 series, Lexus G and Mercedes E class even though it's priced to compete with the smaller entry level sedans from those luxury car manufacturers. Here's a side by side comparison of the G37x and TL SH-AWD specs. http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison?styleid=101115176&styl- eid=101082859&maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=specs In my opinion, they should have compare the G37x with the sport package to the TL SH-AWD. That would have been more of an apples to apples comparison. For those who are leasing, a loaded Infiniti G37xS (i.e. premium/navigation/technology/sport packages) is much cheaper to lease than the Acura TL SH-AWD with tech package. However with the tech package in the Acura has more advanced features than the one in the G37. I'm a technology guy so it was hard for me to pass up on those extra features but the cost difference didn't justify them. Replies to this message: arobs (Jul 27, 2009 7:08 am) sam_k (Jul 27, 2009 7:53 am) billyperks2 (Jul 27, 2009 8:26 am) sjaieve (Jul 31, 2009 10:27 am)
#13 of 19 Re: Article Comments - 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Journey [sam_k] by arobs Jul 27, 2009 (7:08 am)
Replying to: sam_k (Jul 08, 2009 7:18 am) To Sam K- or anyone else I am interested in fully loaded G37 sedan AWD with Sport Package and the only car that i have found to come close to it is theACURA TL ( i wont buy German). thanks for sharing your thoughts on thecomparison.. i personally like the G's handling better but the TL's body is more attractive. I'm also debating whether to buy or lease ( i only drive 6k a year) plus i have a 2005 Infiniti coupe that i would be trading in ( only 22k miles...i love the car so much but i need more passenger room) Any thoughts? Seems infiniti has much better residual than Acura? Andrew Replies to this message: sam_k (Jul 27, 2009 7:53 am) billyperks2 (Jul 27, 2009 8:26 am)
#14 of 19 Re: Article Comments - 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Journey [arobs] by sam_k Jul 27, 2009 (7:53 am)
Replying to: arobs (Jul 27, 2009 7:08 am) Andrew, Yes, the resisdual percentages for the Infiniti G37x are better thant the Acura TL SH-AWD. When I compared costs for a no money down lease, a loaded G37x was about $100 less/month to lease than the Acura TL SH-AWD with technology package. I leased my G37x for 10k miles/year. Based on the amount you drive, it might be cheaper for you to lease than to buy, especially if you like to get a new car every few years. I know people say that leasing is more expensive than buying but that's only true if you're the type of person that keeps your cars for a really long time. If you like to get a new car every few years, you'll lose just as much money (if not more money) buying a new car every few years as you would leasing a new car every few years. Plus lease payments are usually lower than loan payments unless you put a large downpayment or take out a long loan like 5 or 6 years. I'd rather not lock my money in a car so I lease with no money down and even put the tax in the payment. I've seen some dealers advertise 8k miles/year leases (like www.ramseyinfiniti.com) but I've never seen the money factor or residual percentage on those kind of leases and I'm not even sure if the leasing company is Infiniti Financial Services. With Infiniti, 39 month lease payments are almost always cheaper than 36 month leases even if the money factor (i.e. interest rate) is slightly higher on the 39 month. The 3 extra payments make the payment lower. Since you currently have an Infiniti, there's a $1000 loyalty credit to lease a G37x that you can use as a cap cost reduction (i.e. down payment) on the lease. If you're buying, there's $2500 marketing support cash incentive unless you take advantage of the special financing. Here's a link to the incentives. Make sure to scroll down. http://www.edmunds.com/new/2009/infiniti/g37/101115176/incentives.html I agree that the G's handling is better. It has a longer wheelbase than the Acura and a shorter body so there's less body overhang. Plus the G37x is lighter, has more horsepower and has a 7 speed automatic (versus the 5 speed in the Acura). But I really liked the interior on the Acura with the technology package over the Infiniti. Don't get me wrong, the Infiniti interior is very nice but I think the Acura's is nicer. When I factored in costs, the loyalty credit I received since I was coming off an Infiniti lease and the damage that I would have to pay for on my previous Infiniti had I not gotten another one, it made financial sense for me to lease another Infiniti. Btw, I won't buy/lease German either. Their reliability just isn't as good as the Japanese cars. Obviously any new car that has problems will be covered by the warranty but who wants the inconvenience of having to go back to the dealer all the time to get problems fixes. The last 2 cars that one of my friends leased were German. One one a Mercedes and one was a BMW. The Mercedes needed major transmission work after less than a year. And the BMW wouldn't start a week after he got it and had to be flatbedded out of his garage. Sam