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Dude, where did all the dealerships go?

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Re: the large soprano hasn't sung [gagrice] by british_rover
Jul 10, 2009 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 8:00 pm)

The dodge and Chrysler stores they axed in our area weren't selling new vehicles. Some of them only had three or four new vehicles on the lot and sold less then a hundred new cars a year. One of the dealers they shut down near me was a combo dodge Nissan store but I rarely saw any dodges on the lot. They would have a couple of trucks, a charger and they had a challenger at some point but that was it.
 
Oh and less then two miles away on the same road was a newer, larger Chrysler/Jeep store that also had a Buick, Chevy Pontiac, GMC franchise on the other side of their lot. Makes sense to shut down the tiny little dodge place and eventually give the larger Chrysler/Jeep store the dodge franchise.
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Can GM beat the dealer lobby? by steve_ HOST
Jul 10, 2009 (6:43 am)
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"We're working on new ways to make car buying more convenient for our customers, including an innovative new partnership with eBay in California to revolutionize how people buy vehicles online," GM CEO Fritz Henderson said at a press conference."
 
New GM Experiments With Car-Selling On eBay (AutoObserver)
 
"In 1999, a GM executive predicted that 80 percent of new-car buyers would be able to custom-order online by 2003; entrepreneurs began exploring the possibilities. The dealers lobbied for state bans on Internet sales by anyone but a dealer, and they won."
 
Time to Click and Drag Car Sales Into the 21st Century (Washington Post)
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Re: Can GM beat the dealer lobby? [steve_] by mikefm58
Jul 10, 2009 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 10, 2009 6:43 am)

Good articles, I know this subject has been hashed out here extensively, but for me and I'd bet most of the educated consumers who read sites like Edmunds.com, the sales person is simply an order taker and provides no value add to the transaction. I'm not trying to be dis-respectful, but the vehicles I bought the last 10 years, I knew what I wanted, what I was willing to pay, and how I was going to pay it. The sales person did nothing but take my price to the SM and came back with a yes or no answer. A few trips back and forth to agree on the price, finalize things in the business office, and I drive away in a new vehicle. The sales person did nothing for me.
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Gangster Government motors by gagrice
Jul 22, 2009 (4:19 pm)
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The dealership shuffle by Barney Frank and others.
 
Gangster Government
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Re: Gangster Government motors [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 22, 2009 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 22, 2009 4:19 pm)

I'm not much on videos, but Dub, er, Pf_Flyer is blogging about reinstating dealers today.
 
This was running on the AP earlier:
 
Several auto dealers planned to tell the panel how the auto industry decisions were wrecking their lives. Auto dealers estimate that nearly 200,000 jobs could be lost in the dealer consolidation.
 
"If my dealership is not restored, we will lose everything -- including college savings for my children -- and my home," said Jim Tarbox, a former Chrysler dealer in remarks prepared for delivery."
 
GM, Chrysler defend dealer cuts
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Re: Gangster Government motors [gagrice] by dtownfb
Jul 24, 2009 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 22, 2009 4:19 pm)

I love that name, Gangster Government. I think GM's plan to eliminate dealerships at the end of their franchise agreement is preferred over what Chrysler did. Chrysler should have compensated the dealerships either by buying back the vehicles or buy them out. Suddenly ending the relationship, in some cases, inexplicably is not the way to do business.
 
Now with talk of possibly re-instating their franchise agreement, it could put the future of Chrysler in limbo.
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Re: Gangster Government motors [dtownfb] by plan_man
Jul 24, 2009 (3:22 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jul 24, 2009 11:27 am)

Now with talk of possibly re-instating their franchise agreement, it could put the future of Chrysler in limbo.
 
I think limbo might be a step forward.
 
Current thing from Chrysler is to double the cash for clunkers stimulus. It would be great if only they made something worth buying, which is pretty much the tale of how how they got to where they are.
 
I still blame Daimler, frankly...
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Re: Gangster Government motors [plan_man] by andre1969
Jul 24, 2009 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: plan_man (Jul 24, 2009 3:22 pm)

It would be great if only they made something worth buying, which is pretty much the tale of how how they got to where they are.
 
I still like the 300 and Charger, and find the 2009 Ram to actually have some sex appeal. Alas, I'm not in the market right now for a semi-large sedan, or a full-sized pickup.
 
I really wish they'd get their act together in the midsized market, and replace the Sebring/Avenger with something more worthwhile. I would actually take a 2001-2006 version over the ones they have on the market now!
 
That 200C concept that made the auto show rounds was a pretty hot looking car...hope they end up doing something with that.
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Re: Gangster Government motors [andre1969] by mikefm58
Jul 24, 2009 (6:05 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 24, 2009 3:57 pm)

I really wish they'd get their act together in the midsized market, and replace the Sebring/Avenger with something more worthwhile. I would actually take a 2001-2006 version over the ones they have on the market now!
 
I just bought an 08 Sebring and you're the first person I've heard that commented about liking the older model over the newer one. Most have said the exact opposite. So far, I love the vehicle. I've owned Hondas and Toyotas since 1999, so this is a switch for me.
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Re: Gangster Government motors [mikefm58] by andre1969
Jul 24, 2009 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Jul 24, 2009 6:05 pm)

Well, I do have to admit, my only experience with the things is sitting in them at auto shows for the most part. Back in 2003, my Dad was in the market for a car, and we drove a Stratus SXT with the 4-cyl, and hated it enough that Dad bought a used '03 Regal instead. I really wanted to like the car. I thought the styling was nice, and I thought it had a nice seating position. But it just felt cheap once we drove it.
 
Just ouf of curiosity, what made you pick a Sebring over a Honda or Toyota? In the past, I've always been a Mopar man, but the current Sebring/Avenger just don't do it for me. But, like I said, I'm basing my opinion mainly on the styling, and sitting in them at the auto shows, so I'm hardly an expert.
 
I do think the retractable hardtop is a cool idea, though. I don't find the car particularly attractive, but then I didnt' like any of its peers either...cars like the Pontiac G6 or Toyota Solara. I think my main beef is how they went for a taller, more upright look. I just prefer the more low-slung look of the older models.
 
Anyway though, I hope the car is good for you. And, being a Mopar guy, I'm glad to hear that you're happy with the Sebring so far!

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