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Dude, where did all the dealerships go?

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Re: In Portland [nippononly] by fezo
Nov 21, 2008 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 21, 2008 9:42 am)

I've wondered about that myself. Maybe Toyota thinks that 20 miles north is close enough which I suppose it is. The dealership is very big. I would think a Toyota dealer in town would do a heck of a business. I've been thinking that for maybe 20 years....
 
Just for the heck of it I checked and there are two Ford dealers within 25 miles of me. If you expand it to 28 miles you get three more including one that's just Lincoln Mercury.
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Re: In Portland [nippononly] by andre1969
Nov 21, 2008 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 21, 2008 9:42 am)

andre: you sure about those numbers? That sounds awfully high.
 
Well, that's what the internet said, and it wouldn't lie, would it? One thing though, the way these mapping things work, it's 25 miles as the crow flies. For instance, it plotted the dealership I bought my Intrepid from at around 12 miles away. It's more like 16-17. So I'd say that some of these places that the mapping features thought were only 25 miles could really be more like 30 or even 35 to drive them.
 
Still, a 25 mile radius from my zipcode, 20769, basically encompasses my whole county. Also everything within the Washington DC Beltway, which includes parts of Virginia. About half of Baltimore also fell into that swoop. Going into southern Maryland, it just swallows up Waldorf, which I think is the biggest town down there. And going east, it just reaches across the Chesapeake Bay. So I'd imagine there's about 2 million residents, if not more, within the boundaries of that radius.
 
Also, some of them are paired up. For instance, the dealer I bought my Intrepid from also sells Chevies. Interestingly, just a few years ago, a disproportionate amount of their business was Dodge. So now with Chrysler's fallout, I wonder how they're faring?
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Re: Just for kicks... [fezo] by carthell
Nov 21, 2008 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 21, 2008 9:20 am)

Well, when you live in the megalopolis known as Baltimore-DC-NoVa, there's a lot of people with money that have to be served. Government money. Private research and tech money. Health care money. To a lesser extent, manufacturing, water-dock and transport money.
 
Even so, there were (in the Baltimore area) four long-standing, new-car dealerships or dealership chains went bust over the past three years. No new Ford/Lincoln/Mercury, Kia, VW, or Suzuki products can be bought in the city. If you're a young 'un in the city who wants a new car, the bus can be taken to the local Toyota (1) or Chevy/Pontiac/Buick/Honda (1) dealer.
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Re: In Portland [fezo] by nippononly
Nov 21, 2008 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 21, 2008 9:47 am)

You've been thinking that for 20 years and you haven't applied to Toyota for a franchise? What are you waiting for???
 
One thing I DO expect to disappear is Lincoln Mercury dealers - I expect they will mostly be consolidated into Ford dealerships. None of the new Lincolns has really hit the sales sweet spot including the very latest ones.
 
Dealers that WANT to consolidate and are not being assisted in doing so by the manufacturer would be another group I think should be eligible for some bailout money, before we hand billions to corporate execs at the automakers.
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by jspagna1
Nov 21, 2008 (10:07 am)
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General Motors has over 7,000 dealerships for its Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Hummer, Pontiac, and Saturn brands in the U.S. (Saab excluded), while the Ford Motor Company has around 4,400 dealerships. The linked article compares both to Toyota Motor Co. which currently has 1,430 dealerships.
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Re: In Portland [nippononly] by fezo
Nov 21, 2008 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 21, 2008 10:00 am)

I thought about seeing what would be involved in a Toyota franchise but I can't imagine actually putting all that together. I guess no one else did either...
 
20 miles isn't far. I would think Toyota likes it that way.
 
Some of the luxury brands aren't even in te county - Lexus, Infiniti, Acura. We used to have BMW, Mercedes, Porsche and Audi franchises up by the Toyota dealer is but they've been gone for years.
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Re: [jspagna1] by nippononly
Nov 21, 2008 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: jspagna1 (Nov 21, 2008 10:07 am)

There's no link in your post as far as I can tell. Would love to read it if you would post again and provide the link.
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Last night by boaz47
Nov 21, 2008 (6:16 pm)
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The news had a picture of the Port of LA harbor. The lots were full of cars, imported, and they were not moving. It was either NBC or CBS I don't remember which. The did a brief special on the problem. The largest premium foreign car dealer in Orange county just closed. There are more than domestic dealers taking a hit. he OC register said:
"At least nine Orange County auto dealers – selling Chevrolets, Chryslers, Dodges, Nissans, Saturns and other brands – have closed since January, brought down by sluggish sales and tight credit."
 
 It isn't likely to get better anytime soon and I wouldn't be surprised if more dealerships close. But the used car market should blossom.
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Re: Last night [boaz47] by steve_ HOST
Nov 21, 2008 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Nov 21, 2008 6:16 pm)

This one is Long Beach (maybe the same place?).
 

 
Imported vehicles piling up at ports of entry
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I'm surprised by jchan2
Nov 21, 2008 (8:02 pm)
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to see a few Priuses in that lot- aren't those selling well, despite the slump?
 
I would think that Toyota would want to get those Priuses out of the port and into dealers...

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