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Dude, where did all the dealerships go?

650 messages,  Last post on Nov 08, 2009 at 5:47 PM

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with all the cars remaining unsold... by explorerx4
Mar 04, 2009 (4:58 pm)
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plus all the oil being stored, waiting for prices to rise, it seems like a big poker game. will the consumer blink first?
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Re: with all the cars remaining unsold... [explorerx4] by nippononly
Mar 04, 2009 (8:37 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Mar 04, 2009 4:58 pm)

What do you expect them to do, reduce all MSRPs by half once the unsold inventory gets big enough?!
 
And who will be doing that exactly, the manufacturers or the dealers? Because I'm sure the dealers can't afford it. But with all the money we are handing GM and Chrysler, all their vehicles SHOULD be reduced in price by half. Interesting thought - that would quickly halt the ongoing extinction of dealerships, if you could suddenly get an Aveo for $4995, a Cobalt for $6995, etc.
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Re: this one is an [nippononly] by jb_turner
Mar 04, 2009 (9:18 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Mar 02, 2009 9:32 pm)

"even as the shop folds up and all the cars go back to the manufacturers."
 
I am not understanding why the cars go back to the manufacturers. The bank, lending institution or dealer owns the cars.
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Re: with all the cars remaining unsold... [nippononly] by jb_turner
Mar 04, 2009 (9:20 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Mar 04, 2009 8:37 pm)

"But with all the money we are handing GM and Chrysler, all their vehicles SHOULD be reduced in price by half."
 
What do you base this on?
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jb turner by nippononly
Mar 05, 2009 (7:11 am)
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I don't understand the mechanics of it, but I have read in news articles that cars were going back to their manufacturers after dealerships closed. Maybe that is only the case some of the time - I appreciate your point that they are financed by a bank which would presumably take possession of them if the dealership defaulted on its loans.
 
As for the half price comment, that was half tongue in cheek, but we have essentially given away $17 billion of taxpayer money so far to keep GM and Chrysler in business. We have no chance of ever seeing that money again, it was just flushed down the toilet. GM will probably sell about 2 million vehicles this year, maybe 1.75 milion, if they manage to stay in business. At that rate, we have given GM alone more than $7500 for every vehicle they will sell. Since their problem is overcapacity with no way to shed it, we should slice $7500 off the price of every vehicle they sell. We will get our bailout money back, GM will solve its overcapacity problem.
 
And what a boon it would be for dealers!
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Re: jb turner [nippononly] by fezo
Mar 05, 2009 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Mar 05, 2009 7:11 am)

I suspect the cars that are going back to the manufacturer were financed by the manufacturer so essentially they are indeed going back to the bank.
 
I can't imagine a dealership bailout. Part of the plan to save the automakers (also a pretty doomed effort) is cutting down on dealerships. We simply can't afford as many as there are.
 
It's sad but i think it's inevitable.
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Re: this one is an [jb_turner] by explorerx4
Mar 06, 2009 (6:40 pm)
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Replying to: jb_turner (Mar 04, 2009 9:18 pm)

dealers don't own their new vehicle inventory.
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did anyone notice this one? by nippononly
Mar 10, 2009 (9:04 pm)
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It's heartbreaking:
 
US car dealer dies torching own vehicles
 
Following the closure of his dealership a week earlier, Pennsylvania car dealer Gregory Graham died of a heart attack while torching new vehicles that remained on his lot.
 
....It was concluded that Graham, 61, died of a heart attack while he was burning the vehicles at his dealership in Ligonier, about 65km southeast of Pittsburgh.
 
Graham was a third-generation dealer selling Buick, Pontiac and Jeep vehicles. His grandfather, Albert, started Graham Colonial Motors in the 1920s. Graham’s father, Charles, later took over.
 
The dealership owed more than US$420,000 in 2008 federal tax liens and more than Us$11,000 in county property-tax liens, according to court records.

 
http://www.caradvice.com.au/25419/us-car-dealer-dies-torching-own-vehicles/
 
I wonder if he did it out of anger or because they were insured and he owed money on them. It's a VERY bad time to be a new car dealer.
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Re: did anyone notice this one? [nippononly] by carthell
Mar 10, 2009 (9:32 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Mar 10, 2009 9:04 pm)

Ick, ick, ick. There was probably a better way to handle the situation. The IRS and the local gov't. gets every scrap of value left of his estate, and his family (if they're lucky) might have enough savings to bury him because he essentially canceled his life insurance policy upon lighting the first match.
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Re: did anyone notice this one? [nippononly] by lemko
Mar 11, 2009 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Mar 10, 2009 9:04 pm)

What the heck was the point of torching the vehicles after his dealership closed? At that point, it really doesn't matter. Was it some futile angry gesture?

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