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'90-'93 Pontiac LeMans by hpmctorque
Nov 19, 2008 (8:03 pm)
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This wasn't the Pontiac intermediate, but, rather, the Opel-designed 4 cylinder Pontiac-badged small car, built by Daewoo. It served as a replacement for the Chevette based T-1000, if I remember correctly. Anyhow, although I never had the misfortune of owning one, fortunately, I understand that this car was a pretty bad car, at least in terms of reliability.
 
The fact that I still see one on the road now and then, though, and as recently as last month - which is pretty unbelievable to me - suggests that it may not be bad enough to be one of the 50 worst. Maybe it's just the 51st worst car of all time.
 
I'm sure some of you remember these rather awful cars. It was yet another failed attempt by GM to compete with the Japanese. The Opel (Kadette) on which the LeMans was based would have had to be a much better car than its Daewoo built counterpart, in terms of build quality, at least.
 
Come to think of it, I think the Chevette and T-1000 were based on the Opel Kadette too. It's a good thing that GM didn't come out with Oldsmobile, Buick, and, heaven forbid, Cadillac versions of this Daewoo subcompact. Can you imagine the ad copy, "And now for you happy Cimarron owners who would prefer something even smaller, for your urban driving needs, Cadillac is proud to introduce the all new Cadilette. Now available at your local Cadillac dealer, at prices starting at $9,995...*or just $10,495 for the Premium, leather edition."
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Re: '90-'93 Pontiac LeMans [hpmctorque] by lokki
Nov 20, 2008 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Nov 19, 2008 8:03 pm)

I'd been out of the country for several years, and had finally come back to the states in 1990. I flew in and went to the rental car counter to pick up a car. The 19 year old girl at the counter said to me "We have a brand-new Pontiac LeMans for you tonight". I said, "Oh, good.", thinking that I had been upgraded because they were out of low-end cars at 10 pm. The girl gave me the most peculiar look... I didn't understand why until I tried to find the car and couldn't. When she finally showed my my "LeMans", I finally understood that look.
 
The headlight switch knob came off in my hand when I turned them on the first time.
Another demonstration of GM's death-wish, to my mind. They weren't satisfied with killing Cadillac - no! They had to start killing off the great names from their past too.
 
Of course they weren't the only ones. When I get to Hell, I'm going to ask to vist the circle where they keep the guy who OK'd the "Mustang (sic) II. The cruelest thing about that abomination was that it really wasn't any smaller than the original 65 Mustang. It just did everything worse.
 
Now, back to the Daewoo LeMans. My local mechanic of choice one time showed me a De Mans that had hit one of those reflectors that they put along the interstate. You know, the little reflectors that they put up on metal stop-sign posts? It darn near totaled that little Daewoo. He was horrified by the lousy sheet metal in that thing. That fact that one still exists is merely an example of the law of big numbers. One in a million survives the rust, one in a million doesn't blow up, one in a million doesn't hit anything.. Sometimes all those one in a million odds come together in the same car. Somewhere there is a museum quality Yugo, is it not so?
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Re: '90-'93 Pontiac LeMans [lokki] by texases
Nov 20, 2008 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: lokki (Nov 20, 2008 7:51 am)

"When I get to Hell, I'm going to ask to vist the circle where they keep the guy who OK'd the "Mustang (sic) II."
 
I was at a car show in Cincinnati when they first displayed that thing. Get this - they had a whole display bragging about how it was close to the size of the original T-Bird! What a bunch of IDIOTS.
 
Nobody's mentioned the Ford EXP - at least they didn't ruin another great old name with that rolling disaster, a car about which Iacocca said "the young folks will just eat this up." Oops!
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Re: '90-'93 Pontiac LeMans [texases] by boomchek
Nov 20, 2008 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: texases (Nov 20, 2008 8:16 am)

Ford EXP is one of the ugliest cars ever in my opinion. Especially the bugeyed example shown above. Looks like a cross between a Dodge Charger from the 80s (front end), and Escort (cabin), and a Mustang (rear).
 
I think the wheels were off a Mercury Linx or a Topaz too.
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Re: '90-'93 Pontiac LeMans [hpmctorque] by andys120
Nov 20, 2008 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Nov 19, 2008 8:03 pm)


Come to think of it, I think the Chevette and T-1000 were based on the Opel Kadette too.

 
You have it backwards, there were Opel Kadetts long before there was a Daewoo Industries but the T-Cars were descended from a Brazilian-built Chevy Chevette which eventually spawned the Opel Kadett C (1973-79). Daewoo's version was the comically named Daewoo Maepsy (a clone of the Isuzu Gemini).
 
I don't think the Daewoo/Pontiac LeMans (Asuna GT/SE in Canada) ever had an Opel variant.
 
Wikipedia-Daewoo LeMans.
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Speaking of luxury Chevettes... by andre1969
Nov 20, 2008 (12:11 pm)
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while Cadillac never offered one, thankfully, there was some aftermarket company back in the 70's that would take a Chevette and outfit it with a pretentious little grille, nip and tuck the rest of the sheetmetal here and there, and try to stuff in a leather interior and some other appointments that were supposed to give the illusion of a luxury car.
 
I forget the name of the company or what they called the car, but I do remember seeing one on eBay once. Horrid little thing.
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Re: The dreaded Excel [fintail] by joshuag
Nov 20, 2008 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Nov 19, 2008 12:58 pm)

I believe you on that. Around 1990 when the Sonata first came out, me and my sister went to a Hyundai dealer so she could look at a cheap excel to get her through school. It was the middle of winter, although we do live in Southern Ca., so it doesn't get that cold. A guy came in to test drive a new Sonata and the car would barely start. Then when he finally got it started it died like three times. But, I guess they have come a long way. My cousin has a 2004 Sonata and it has been bulletproof.
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Re: Speaking of luxury Chevettes... [andre1969] by boomchek
Nov 20, 2008 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 20, 2008 12:11 pm)

some aftermarket company back in the 70's that would take a Chevette and outfit it with a pretentious little grille, nip and tuck the rest of the sheetmetal here and there, and try to stuff in a leather interior and some other appointments that were supposed to give the illusion of a luxury car.
 
I remember that one. I think it wa sposted in one of Fintail's eBay time posts on the Classic Cars forum. It was indeed ugly.
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Re: '90-'93 Pontiac LeMans [andys120] by fintail
Nov 20, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (Nov 20, 2008 11:56 am)

The Opel Kadett E was the basis for those hoary Daewoo/Pontiac LeMans insults we had on these shores...but I have to believe they didn't share much other than body shape.
 
Wikipedia claims 1973 for the Kadett C, 1974 for the Brazilian Chevette.
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Re: The dreaded Excel [joshuag] by fintail
Nov 20, 2008 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: joshuag (Nov 20, 2008 12:18 pm)

Hyundai has certainly seen more progress than any other carmaker in the past 20 years - and somehow I trust them more than Kia, too.

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