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50 Worst Cars of All Time

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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [cimbriano] by dave8697
May 09, 2009 (5:07 pm)
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Replying to: cimbriano (May 09, 2009 3:03 pm)

1998 LX msrp $15145. add dest charge, +550, floor mats, +350, and dealer markup for being an efficient commuter in the expensive DC area, +2500. Then add tax and you have $19,658 total. If it wasn't an LX, then the dealer markup was higher by the difference.
 
 I bought an Astro the same model year. Msrp $24,000. Rebate, -1500, GM card earnings, -1750, GM card earnings rebate, -1750, nego discount, -800, sales tax +1488 and you have $19688 total.
 
Not both at $20k exactly, but close.
 
Both vehicles had a/c, cloth seats and a radio.
 
Astro also had: alloy wheels, auto trans, rear a/c, cd, cassette, PW, PM, PDL, remote entry, rear wiper, deep tinted windows, roof rack, towing capability, and dealer add ons like undercoating and pin stripes.
 
The civic went out the door for same price with none of these items. The Civic has been driven about 60,000 more miles and the two biggest repair items on the Astro are for features not even on the Civic.
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I saw another neon sr/t by dave8697
May 09, 2009 (5:09 pm)
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red, ex cond, no racing stripes on this one.
that is 2 in 2 days
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Civic vs Astro 1998 by lokki
May 09, 2009 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (May 09, 2009 5:07 pm)

Dave -
 
Not both at $20k exactly, but close.
 
Trying to be nice about this -
 
The fact is that people were willing to pay $2500 over sticker for the Civic plus $350 for mats (I have a little trouble believing $350 but let's say it's another form of dealer markup). The car was in high demand.
  
Now to sell you an Astro, GM had to offer people a rebate, -1500, GM card earnings, -1750, GM card earnings rebate, -1750, and still had to negotiate a discount, -800
 
This should tell you something.
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Re: Civic vs Astro 1998 [lokki] by andre1969
May 10, 2009 (4:21 am)
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Replying to: lokki (May 09, 2009 5:25 pm)

Some friends of mine bought a 1994 Civic EX in 1994 for around $16,000. I remember thinking that was a lot of money at the time, but that was also a fully-loaded car. It didn't have leather, which I don't think you could get in a Civic back then, but it had power windows, locks, nice stereo, and I think it had alloys and a sunroof.
 
They had beat-up 1978 Malibu Classic with well over 200,000 miles on it that they used as a "trade". I think they got $75 for it. Basically the dealer did them a favor by taking it off their hands. I think one of their mechanics ended up using it.
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Re: Where is the VW "Thing"? [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
May 10, 2009 (5:47 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 09, 2009 12:56 pm)

Look at how successful DOS was in the '80s, compared with Apple's operating system. This is an example of where Microsoft's clever marketing and promotion triumphed over a superior product.
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Re: Where is the VW "Thing"? [hpmctorque] by corvette
May 10, 2009 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 10, 2009 5:47 am)

In the late 1980s/early 1990s, there was no Internet, and it was very hard to find software for Apple machines. Also, Macs were not as affordably priced as they are today. This made the PC an easy choice for the middle class consumer who had a budget of $2,000 or less.
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Re: Where is the VW "Thing"? [corvette] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 10, 2009 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: corvette (May 10, 2009 7:49 am)

I think it was more that MS got in cahoots with computer manufacturers and packed each machine. More machines out there, more MS users. MS used sheer horsepower to dominate the market. Ruthless capitalism at its best. Cornelius Vanderbilt would be proud.
 
High price may have inhibited MAC but not Harley. Not only are they mediocre bikes, they are very expensive mediocre bikes. That's a neat trick and a tribute to superior marketing. Something like the $75 pair of designer denims made in Indonesia.
 
Even more remarkable is that they are marketed as a "buy American" motorcycle when they are loaded with foreign technology and parts.
 
You really have to take your hat off to H-D, like 'em or not.
 
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Re: Where is the VW "Thing"? [Mr_Shiftright] by isellhondas
May 10, 2009 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 10, 2009 8:17 am)

" Not only are they mediocre bikes"
 
Ah, but NOTHING sounds like a Harley!
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Re: Where is the VW "Thing"? [isellhondas] by fintail
May 10, 2009 (3:13 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 10, 2009 1:03 pm)

I am thankful for that
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Re: Where is the VW "Thing"? [isellhondas] by corvette
May 10, 2009 (3:39 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 10, 2009 1:03 pm)

Ah, but NOTHING sounds like a Harley!
 
What really gets me are the jerks who install straight pipes--most of them wear earplugs every time they ride, so they can kind of hear their bike's engine through the earplugs, at the expense of everyone else's hearing and sanity...

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