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50 Worst Cars of All Time

298 messages,  Last post on May 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM

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Re: Did the govt. [andre1969] by andres3
May 08, 2009 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 07, 2009 5:51 pm)

And as non-competitive as the Neon was, considering where fuel prices went, I bet they would've done better if they just kept it in production, rather than bringing out the Caliber.
 
The Neon didn't get good gas mileage anyway, especially with the 3 speed auto. I averaged about 25 MPG in mixed/mostly highway driving with it, and as you said, it had 132 HP, I averaged the same mileage in my V6 Accord that had 240 horses, and again, the same mileage in my Audi A3 with 200 horses and 207 lb/ft of torque.
 
The Neon did have good numbers, but in real life it didn't live up to the numbers.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by andres3
May 08, 2009 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 7:24 am)

A 2000 Honda Civic is worth MORE THAN 2X a 2000 Neon. That tells you all you need to know. The American public has voted.
 
Being as most 2000 Civics still look really good and run like new, and most 2000 Neons are already in the graveyard/junkyard or a mechanic's shop, I'm surprised the Civic is only 2x more valueable then the Neon of the same year. Should be 10X if you ask me. The point of a car is to get you from A to B.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by andres3
May 08, 2009 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 9:06 am)

I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me. I'd be afraid to drive it around the block. This $600 car would be a $6000 car in 6 months.
 
AMEN! Ain't that the truth!
 
However, what is your life worth? That "FREE" '96 Neon might cost you 6,000 dollars in repairs the first 1,000 miles you have it, but when you get in an accident in it, it might cost you your LIFE. You couldn't get me to take one IN MINT condition with 1,000 miles on it for FREE!
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Re: Did the govt. [andre1969] by isellhondas
May 08, 2009 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 08, 2009 6:44 am)

In 1995, we bought a new Intrepid. It was the top of the line model with te 3.5 engine. We only kept it a couple of years. IT wasn't a bad car by any means and I don't remember it causing any trouble in the 30,000 plus miles we had it.
 
It had two glaring problems that had I know about, we would have never bought it.
 
The top of the dash reflected horrible on the inside of the windshield makeing the car almost impossible to drive if the sun was hitting it from the wrong angle.
 
And the headlights were the WORST! I remember when we first got it I once got out of the car and looked to see if they were on! They had no solution.
 
I remember driving most of the time with the fog lights on which helped very little.
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Re: Did the govt. [isellhondas] by texases
May 08, 2009 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 08, 2009 2:46 pm)

"And the headlights were the WORST! "
 
That seemed to be a problem with many of the Chrysler products of the time. That article somebody posted explained everything - cutting corners to save money at the expense of the car/customer. For example, I rented a 300C AWD, and, while it was plenty fast, there was lots of loosness/clunking in the driveline. Not something I'd buy. Close, but close doesn't cut it in the world of Japan, Inc.
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Re: Did the govt. [texases] by toomanyfumes
May 08, 2009 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: texases (May 08, 2009 4:35 pm)

I remember hearing that the headlights on those models were awful, too. If you look at them, they are tiny. The original Intrepid, and Concorde were good looking cars in that era, though.
 
One of our neighbors kid has an old Neon he parks in the street. Engine has sounded like it's gonna blow for at least a couple years, but it keeps going. There is also a huge puddle of oil underneath it at all times.
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Re: Did the govt. [bumpy] by dave8697
May 08, 2009 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (May 08, 2009 6:43 am)

I rode alongside one today on the way to work. Red with two wide white stripes and a hood scoop. It was in great shape. Even the headlight lens' were clear.
 
After 10 years old you know your trade-in value is about the sales tax on a new car. Your probably not going to spend as much on it. Hence, fallapartitis is possible to go unchecked.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by dave8697
May 08, 2009 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 9:06 am)

All $600 cars can become $6000 cars at age 14.
My friend took his '98 civic to the dealer for a 150,000 mile checkup. Nothing was specifically known to be wrong with it other than hardness to start. It cost him $1100 and after that the windshield was still all cracked up and the drivetrain was still very loosely hanging onto the chassis and the a/c and speedometer still didn't work. Doesn't that make a $1200 Civic into a $6000 car too? I could put $6000 into my '96 and still find a nicer one for sale for $4500 somewhere. $ put into a car does not always undo age or miles. Usually everything has wear and tear on it. My experience is more expensive cars hold up better but cost a lot to keep perfect. Neons were $7999 new in the mid 90's. The Civic mentioned above went for $20k with manual trans and hand crank windows.
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Re: Did the govt. [andre1969] by chetj
May 09, 2009 (1:16 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 08, 2009 6:44 am)

i think the first 3-4 years of the neon were subpar but after that they were ok...i hear the powertrain is actually pretty good...my neighbor has run neons the last 10 years with no problems...he is pretty cheap too, he wouldnt buy one if they werent reliable...another guy i worked with had a neon get flooded by a river and car still runs after some repairs, you cant say that about every car
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [dave8697] by chetj
May 09, 2009 (1:19 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (May 08, 2009 7:31 pm)

i hear asian cars are real exp for parts compared to domestics

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