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50 Worst Cars of All Time

298 messages,  Last post on May 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM

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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 08, 2009 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 08, 2009 6:50 am)

A 2000 Honda Civic is worth MORE THAN 2X a 2000 Neon. That tells you all you need to know. The American public has voted.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
May 08, 2009 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 7:24 am)

Yeah, and justifiably. The market is very efficient on pricing. And to think that in the 1920s through the 1960s the world's best cars were American. They may not have been the most advanced, in terms of suspensions, brakes and engines, but they more than compensated on value. Detroit was also innovative in many ways, examples being A/C, automatic transmissions, power steering and brakes, over-square high-compression engines (no OHCs, though), and convenience power equipment. In financing, buying on time was an American innovation. Then the domestic manufacturers got complacent, arrogant, and insensitive to the consumers' priorities. If that had been a short term phenomenon, it might have been excusable. It's inexcusable, though, when it goes on for decades.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 08, 2009 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 08, 2009 8:35 am)

The book value on a 1996 Neon 2D coupe is $680.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
May 08, 2009 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 8:42 am)

It wasn't a good values when new, but, hey, if you can buy a decent one for <$1,000, it's a terrific value. Allowing for a few exceptions, a good rule of thumb to follow is this: For new, buy Asian; for used, buy American or European.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 08, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 08, 2009 8:53 am)

I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me. I'd be afraid to drive it around the block. This $600 car would be a $6000 car in 6 months.
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Re: Did the govt. [andre1969] by andres3
May 08, 2009 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 07, 2009 5:51 pm)

And as non-competitive as the Neon was, considering where fuel prices went, I bet they would've done better if they just kept it in production, rather than bringing out the Caliber.
 
The Neon didn't get good gas mileage anyway, especially with the 3 speed auto. I averaged about 25 MPG in mixed/mostly highway driving with it, and as you said, it had 132 HP, I averaged the same mileage in my V6 Accord that had 240 horses, and again, the same mileage in my Audi A3 with 200 horses and 207 lb/ft of torque.
 
The Neon did have good numbers, but in real life it didn't live up to the numbers.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by andres3
May 08, 2009 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 7:24 am)

A 2000 Honda Civic is worth MORE THAN 2X a 2000 Neon. That tells you all you need to know. The American public has voted.
 
Being as most 2000 Civics still look really good and run like new, and most 2000 Neons are already in the graveyard/junkyard or a mechanic's shop, I'm surprised the Civic is only 2x more valueable then the Neon of the same year. Should be 10X if you ask me. The point of a car is to get you from A to B.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by andres3
May 08, 2009 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 9:06 am)

I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me. I'd be afraid to drive it around the block. This $600 car would be a $6000 car in 6 months.
 
AMEN! Ain't that the truth!
 
However, what is your life worth? That "FREE" '96 Neon might cost you 6,000 dollars in repairs the first 1,000 miles you have it, but when you get in an accident in it, it might cost you your LIFE. You couldn't get me to take one IN MINT condition with 1,000 miles on it for FREE!
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Re: Did the govt. [andre1969] by isellhondas
May 08, 2009 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 08, 2009 6:44 am)

In 1995, we bought a new Intrepid. It was the top of the line model with te 3.5 engine. We only kept it a couple of years. IT wasn't a bad car by any means and I don't remember it causing any trouble in the 30,000 plus miles we had it.
 
It had two glaring problems that had I know about, we would have never bought it.
 
The top of the dash reflected horrible on the inside of the windshield makeing the car almost impossible to drive if the sun was hitting it from the wrong angle.
 
And the headlights were the WORST! I remember when we first got it I once got out of the car and looked to see if they were on! They had no solution.
 
I remember driving most of the time with the fog lights on which helped very little.
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Re: Did the govt. [isellhondas] by texases
May 08, 2009 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 08, 2009 2:46 pm)

"And the headlights were the WORST! "
 
That seemed to be a problem with many of the Chrysler products of the time. That article somebody posted explained everything - cutting corners to save money at the expense of the car/customer. For example, I rented a 300C AWD, and, while it was plenty fast, there was lots of loosness/clunking in the driveline. Not something I'd buy. Close, but close doesn't cut it in the world of Japan, Inc.

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