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50 Worst Cars of All Time

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Re: Did the govt. [Mr_Shiftright] by lemmer
May 08, 2009 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 6:43 am)

She is the original owner, but she seems like the type that could have forgot if they replaced something major under warranty. She also seems like the type that is happy as long as the ac and radio work and the car moves under its own power. I can pretty much vouch that she hasn't had any troubles that have sidelined the car in the past 2.5 years.
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Notice Fewer Neons by hpmctorque
May 08, 2009 (6:50 am)
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Maybe I'm just not noticing them, but for a car that was in production only a few years ago, and was produced in large numbers, you don't see too many Neons on the road anymore.
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Re: Did the govt. [isellhondas] by andre1969
May 08, 2009 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 08, 2009 6:46 am)

When our son first started driving we bought a 1991 Plymouth Acclaim that an old lady had been driving. It was in great shape and we kept it until it had something like 135,000 miles. It never gave us a bit of trouble.
  
Aren't those the same 4 cylinder engines the Neons used?
 
The Acclaim used a 2.5 4-cyl that was a slight enlargement of the old 2.2 that debuted in the 1981 K-cars. It had around 100 hp I think, and was a good, simple, sturdy engine. Easy to work on, cheap to fix. I think it was designed by the same guy who did the slant six. Now the turbo versions had considerably shorter lifespans. Especially that hot 224 hp engine that Spirit R/T used, I imagine. But the regular engines were pretty durable, if uninspiring.
 
The Neon 2.0, as well as the 2.4, were derived from the old 2.2/2.5, but they cut corners here and there, cheapening them no doubt. Plus, I'm sure upping the hp probably put some stress on them.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 08, 2009 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 08, 2009 6:50 am)

A 2000 Honda Civic is worth MORE THAN 2X a 2000 Neon. That tells you all you need to know. The American public has voted.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
May 08, 2009 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 7:24 am)

Yeah, and justifiably. The market is very efficient on pricing. And to think that in the 1920s through the 1960s the world's best cars were American. They may not have been the most advanced, in terms of suspensions, brakes and engines, but they more than compensated on value. Detroit was also innovative in many ways, examples being A/C, automatic transmissions, power steering and brakes, over-square high-compression engines (no OHCs, though), and convenience power equipment. In financing, buying on time was an American innovation. Then the domestic manufacturers got complacent, arrogant, and insensitive to the consumers' priorities. If that had been a short term phenomenon, it might have been excusable. It's inexcusable, though, when it goes on for decades.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 08, 2009 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 08, 2009 8:35 am)

The book value on a 1996 Neon 2D coupe is $680.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
May 08, 2009 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 8:42 am)

It wasn't a good values when new, but, hey, if you can buy a decent one for <$1,000, it's a terrific value. Allowing for a few exceptions, a good rule of thumb to follow is this: For new, buy Asian; for used, buy American or European.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 08, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 08, 2009 8:53 am)

I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me. I'd be afraid to drive it around the block. This $600 car would be a $6000 car in 6 months.
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Re: Did the govt. [andre1969] by andres3
May 08, 2009 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 07, 2009 5:51 pm)

And as non-competitive as the Neon was, considering where fuel prices went, I bet they would've done better if they just kept it in production, rather than bringing out the Caliber.
 
The Neon didn't get good gas mileage anyway, especially with the 3 speed auto. I averaged about 25 MPG in mixed/mostly highway driving with it, and as you said, it had 132 HP, I averaged the same mileage in my V6 Accord that had 240 horses, and again, the same mileage in my Audi A3 with 200 horses and 207 lb/ft of torque.
 
The Neon did have good numbers, but in real life it didn't live up to the numbers.
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Re: Notice Fewer Neons [Mr_Shiftright] by andres3
May 08, 2009 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 08, 2009 7:24 am)

A 2000 Honda Civic is worth MORE THAN 2X a 2000 Neon. That tells you all you need to know. The American public has voted.
 
Being as most 2000 Civics still look really good and run like new, and most 2000 Neons are already in the graveyard/junkyard or a mechanic's shop, I'm surprised the Civic is only 2x more valueable then the Neon of the same year. Should be 10X if you ask me. The point of a car is to get you from A to B.

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