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298 messages, Last post on May 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:11 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:11 am) |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 07, 2009 9:35 am)
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| make Honda put catalytic converters on those Honda CVCC engines anyway? I'm surprised nobody at GM or any other domestic maker simply didn't buy a Civic and reverse engineer it to see how CVCC worked. I wonder what a CVCC V-8 would've been like? Would've we still hads to suffer with those anemic emasculated V-8s of the mid 70s through early 80s? | |
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:49 am) This was called the RA272 engine, revised in 1965. Needless to say, European engine builders were startled when it showed up. |
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:52 am) They probably did, but recall that GM had just gotten burned for billions on a clever engine design for the Vega... That experiment just didn't go well. I doubt if there was a lot of desire to go out and try something else really complicated in those days, and -for that matter- a lot of money available for developing a new engine. I seem to recall that it's a very expensive proposition compared to designing a new car overall, although I couldn't quote a figure. Additionally they were spending a lot of money redesigning cars to meet the 5 mph bumper rule. The J3 (Honda, Toyota, and Nissan) really didn't have very many cars to redesign, compared to the D3. Probably only 2 models or 3 each if I recall correctly. So, although I believe that it would have been the wisest course of action for the Big D3, I can certainly see why I'd have probably voted against it if I were at the table when decision time came.
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:52 am) |
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:52 am) And unfortunately yes, even if the domestics had gotten CVCC on their engines and could have evaded the catalytic converter for a few years, the engines would have still been pretty anemic. I imagine the biggest advantage would have been better emissions and slightly better fuel economy. Probably a few more hp, but not enough to make a huge difference. And you might have had to adjust the valves every 15,000 miles!
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Replying to: lokki (May 07, 2009 10:24 am) |
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 07, 2009 10:29 am) This seems to say the cats were the cause. I think cats (plus computers and fuel injection, as Shifty mentioned) were the solution to the performance nightmare we found ourselves in.
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