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50 Worst Cars of All Time

298 messages,  Last post on May 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM

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Re: worst cars [Mr_Shiftright] by lemko
May 07, 2009 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 07, 2009 7:21 am)

A 1.5 litre V-12? They must've been some tiny cylinders!
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Re: worst cars [andre1969] by lemko
May 07, 2009 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 07, 2009 7:32 am)

Did your grandparents '77 Granada have the 250 inline six or 302 V-8? My Dad had a 1978 Granada with the 250 inline six and I remember it being a pretty reliable and rather fuel-efficient car. The only problem Dad had with it was the window regulators which were made of super cheap plastic. The plastic cracked and the windows fell into the doors. They were replaced by proper regulators made of steel.
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Re: worst cars [lemko] by andre1969
May 07, 2009 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:15 am)

Their '77 Granada coupe had the 250-6cyl. I really don't remember too much about it, as I was 7 when they got it, and 11 when they traded it. I was young enough though, that when someone said the car "dropped its transmission in the driveway", I took it seriously and thought the tranny really DID fall out of the car!
 
They traded on an '81 Granada coupe with the 200 straight six, so I guess the '77 was at least good enough to keep them in Ford products.
 
I dated a girl who had a '77 Granada 4-door with the 302. She let me drive it once or twice. Didn't seem like a horrible car, although I still preferred my '68 Dart.
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Re: worst cars [lemko] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 07, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:11 am)

yep, little shot glasses in there! Revved like a mother, though!
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Re: worst cars [lemko] by texases
May 07, 2009 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:11 am)

Honda's motorcycling experience, I guess. These would be about the same size pistons as a 250cc twin, like the one I had.
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Re: worst cars [Mr_Shiftright] by lemko
May 07, 2009 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 07, 2009 9:35 am)

What was redline on that little sucker?
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Did the govt. by lemko
May 07, 2009 (9:52 am)
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make Honda put catalytic converters on those Honda CVCC engines anyway? I'm surprised nobody at GM or any other domestic maker simply didn't buy a Civic and reverse engineer it to see how CVCC worked. I wonder what a CVCC V-8 would've been like? Would've we still hads to suffer with those anemic emasculated V-8s of the mid 70s through early 80s?
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Re: worst cars [lemko] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 07, 2009 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:49 am)

14,000 rpm, with 270+ HP in 1965.
 
This was called the RA272 engine, revised in 1965. Needless to say, European engine builders were startled when it showed up.
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Re: Did the govt. [lemko] by lokki
May 07, 2009 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:52 am)

I'm surprised nobody at GM or any other domestic maker simply didn't buy a Civic and reverse engineer it to see how CVCC worked.
 
They probably did, but recall that GM had just gotten burned for billions on a clever engine design for the Vega... That experiment just didn't go well.
 
I doubt if there was a lot of desire to go out and try something else really complicated in those days, and -for that matter- a lot of money available for developing a new engine. I seem to recall that it's a very expensive proposition compared to designing a new car overall, although I couldn't quote a figure.
 
Additionally they were spending a lot of money redesigning cars to meet the 5 mph bumper rule. The J3 (Honda, Toyota, and Nissan) really didn't have very many cars to redesign, compared to the D3. Probably only 2 models or 3 each if I recall correctly.
 
So, although I believe that it would have been the wisest course of action for the Big D3, I can certainly see why I'd have probably voted against it if I were at the table when decision time came.
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Re: Did the govt. [lemko] by bumpy
May 07, 2009 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2009 9:52 am)

The Civic got a cat when the emissions standards tightened up further for 1980. Supposedly Ford and Chrysler licensed the CVCC design in the mid-70s but never did anything with it.

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