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50 Worst Cars of All Time

298 messages,  Last post on May 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM

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Speaking of Peugeots by isellhondas
May 01, 2009 (3:47 pm)
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Ive owned two of them. Both were diesel wagons.
 
They were actually incredible cars. The most confortable seats of any car I've ever sat in and those diesel engines were as as tough as a box of rocks.
 
BUT, they had to be maintained properly according to the book and most Americans woudn't do that. I had a good independant who only workied on Peugeots. He used to complain about how people would "kill" them at 150,000 miles. This guys was a bit of a Prima Donna (Mr. shiftright knows what I'm talking about) and if a poorly maintained Peugeot was brought to him, the owner would get a lecture and he would cut no corners to try to save them money.
 
He was honest and competant but he would mince no words and if a customer was a cheapskate, he would decline their work. Luckllly he liked me and would take extra care of me and do me favors.
 
I remember him telling me that replacing a heater core in a 604 was 12 hours of vexacious work!
 
A lousy dealer network and people who didn't understand them ran them out of the US.
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Re: Speaking of Peugeots [isellhondas] by andys120
May 01, 2009 (4:23 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 01, 2009 3:47 pm)

I'll second the notion that access to good mechanics and strict maintainence was a necessity for "furrin" car ownership. I was one of the lucky ones a buddy of mine introduced me to a Dutch guy who was once a mechanic for Maserati's Race Team (he had the picture of himself and Fangio). Frank owned a repair shop specializing in
Mercedes, Rolls and Jaguar.
 
Not only was he happy to to care of my '66 TR-4A and later my '71 Fiat 124 Spider, he considered them a vacation from the finicky high end cars and occasionally let me work off part of the bill by waxing a customer's car. With that kind of support I was able to drive that car for many happy miles with no more problems than any 1970s era car.
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Re: Speaking of Peugeots [andys120] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 01, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (May 01, 2009 4:23 pm)

I drove a Fiat all across the western US...and back again....and I had an MGB that was a daily driver for over two years. Sure enough, as soon as I sold this reliable and beautiful car, within a month it was running like crap. The SUs were so maladjusted I had to actually take them apart to fix them.
 
I had a Peugeot 504 diesel sedan and I drove that car for over a year, including a trip in summer from California to Colorado. It even had working AC. Very comfortable, strong car. I liked it because it had license plates from Aruba when I bought it, and a bullet hole in the hood, down through the left inner fender. The car was very clean but I left the hole there.
 
We have very good furrin' car mechanics in the San Rafael and the Berkeley area---some of the best in the country in my opinion.
 
My cadre of mechanics have only refused me 2Xs, when I inquired if they would fix car so and so if I bought it.
 
One blunt refusal from all sources was on a Subaru SVX and the other was a BMW Bavaria. (I was just trying to flip these cars, I didn't want either one).
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What about by steven922
May 01, 2009 (5:28 pm)
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the Merkur XR4Ti. When I was in high school, mid 80's, these cars we very popular. I remember liking them when they came out. I think they made another model, the scorpia or something, but it didn't seem as nice. I dont think ive seen one in the last 10 years.
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Re: What about [steven922] by toomanyfumes
May 01, 2009 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: steven922 (May 01, 2009 5:28 pm)

Yeah I liked those Merkur's also. I probably hadn't thought of them and I know I haven't seen one in years.
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Re: What about [toomanyfumes] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 02, 2009 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: toomanyfumes (May 01, 2009 5:43 pm)

Basically a turbo Pinto weren't they? I remember driving one---it went pretty fast but that engine was a cement-mixer. Had a double wing I recall.
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Re: about the Vega... [lokki] by isellhondas
May 02, 2009 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: lokki (Dec 04, 2008 9:22 am)

My buddy installed a 375 HP 327 in his 1972 Vega. He did such a good job that it looked factory produced. It had a 350 Turbo trans and I forget what kind of a rear end.
 
It looked like a normal Vega but HOLY SMOKES, that vega would run! I rode in it once and refused to after that.
 
Finally it scared him once too often and he sold it.
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Re: about the Vega... [isellhondas] by andre1969
May 02, 2009 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 02, 2009 8:42 am)

My neighbor used to race Vegas when I was a kid, but he did it with 350's. Have no idea on the hp. I imagine even a fairly mild V-8 would be pretty hairy in a Vega.
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Re: What about [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
May 03, 2009 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 02, 2009 7:10 am)

Yes, the Merkur XR4Ti had a turbo version of the 2.3 four used in the Pinto, Fairmont and Mustang, and the Mercury badged equivalents, the Lynx, Zephyr and Capri. Yeah, I remember reading that this engine was fast, but not refined.
 
I rode in a XR4Ti a couple of time, but didn't notice the roughness, or experience the performance, for that matter, since we were just commuting. The driver was very proud of his new car, but he didn't show off its performance.
 
The Merkur Scorpio sport sedan had a German V6.
 
I believed the '84-'88 Thunderbird turbo-4 also used the XR4Ti engine, with some minor modifications. I don't recall if the Mercury Cougar could also be equipped with that engine.
 
The first Merkurs had a double wing, and the later ones had a single wing.
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Re: What about [hpmctorque] by isellhondas
May 03, 2009 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 03, 2009 11:07 am)

Those XR4ti's were nothing but junk. Definatly beloing on the list!

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