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#456 of 596 Re: 2010 Venza V6 Fwd in SF Bay Area (East Bay) [actionjh]
by actionjh
Dec 24, 2009 (6:37 pm)
I got it now... I just had a chat with one of the dealership internet managers. The dealership Vehicle Inquiry Report (VIR) adds TDA + Gas as an add-on cost to the vehicle invoice cost. That's why it was showing a different invoice cost compared with Edmunds' invoice cost. Attached at the bottom is one of the VIRs on a Venza 2812 black with Leather, Navi, Moonroof, floormat/first aid kit (Z1).
Invoice cost:
NADA: $31214
VIR : $31555.84
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Difference: $341.84
VIR adds TDA of $331 (for LA region) + $9.84 (gas) = $340.84
Summary:
In determining how much you are paying from invoice, please define which invoice cost you were referring to. I was strictly going by the Edmunds' figures and never accounted for the TDA & gas, which I didn't think it should be an add-on cost to the dealer's invoice cost.
Anyone has any thoughts on paying the TDA (Regional advertising fees) in addition to invoice cost? Is that a normal business practice from Toyota? When I was buying Honda / Acura, advertising fees and gas were never part of the negotiating factors.
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Copied from NADA:
Invoice MSRP
BASE PRICE
$25,290 $28,100
DESTINATION CHARGE
$750 $750
OPTIONS
$5,174 $6,522
TOTAL
$31,214 $35,372
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xxxxx VEHICLE INQUIRY REPORT DATE: 12/24/09DCV920 TIME: 15:18 Model Number: 2812A SERIAL # :xxxxxxxx Check Code: 9 Model Description: V6 5-DR SDN FWD Category ..........: A Year ............: 2010 Current Dealer ....: xxx-xxxxxx Interior Color ..: LA01 LA01 Wholesale Dealer ..: Exterior Color ..: 0202 BLACK Previous Dealer ...: 0xxxx Body ............: V6 5-DR SDN FWD Number of Cyl ...: 6 VIN .............: Ignition Key.....: Factory Installed Accessories: FE CQ LA NV SR Port Installed Accessories ..: Z1 MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE3.5L V6 DOHC 24V w/ Dual VVT-i6-Spd Auto ECT-i w/ Sequential Shift20" Alloy Wheels w/P245/50R20 TiresElectronic Power Steering (EPS)4-Whl Disc Brakes / 4-Whl Ind SuspensionSAFETYStar Safety System includes: Vehicle Stability Control w/ TRAC Anti-Lock Brakes w/ EBD & Brake AssistDr & Fr Pass Advanced Front AirbagsDr & Fr Pass Seat Mounted Side AirbagsSide Curtain Airbags & Dr Knee AirbagDr and Front Passenger Active Headrests3-Point Seatbelts w/ ALR/ELR Pass BeltsLATCH(Lwr Anchor & Tethers for Children)for Outboard Rear Seating Positions OnlyDirect Tire Pressure Monitor SystemEXTERIORRear Spoiler w/ Integrated LED Stop LampProjector Lens Halogen HeadlampsDaytime Running Lights with Off SwitchIntegrated Fog Lamps / Dual ExhaustRoof Antenna w/ Integrated SAT AntennaFront Variable & Rear Intermittent WiperCOMFORT & CONVENIENCEFront Dual Zone Auto Climate ControlSystem w/ Air FilterAM/FM CD w/ Integrated SAT, USB Portw/ iPod Connectivity, Hands-free Phoneand Music Streaming Via BluetoothMP3 Player Holder w/ Wire ManagementReclining Fold-flat 60/40 Rear Seat w/Armrest and One-Touch Fold-flat Function3.5-inch Multi-Information DisplayPower Multi-Adjustable Driver''s SeatCtr Console w/ Sliding Cover / Armrestand Dual Illuminated Cup HoldersTilt/Telescopic Steering Whl w/ControlsEC Mirror, Compass and HomelinkPwr Windows w/ 4 Door Auto Up/DownRemote Keyless Entry and Cruise ControlRr Personal Reading Lamps and Air Vents Retail Dealer TotalVehicle Base Model ..........................:$ 28100.00 $ 24447.00 $ 28100.0050 State Emissions .........................Convenience Package - ...................... 860.00 688.00Includes Smart Key System with Push Button .Start, Power Rear Door with Jam Protection .and Chrome-Accented Door Handles ...........Leather Package - .......................... 1600.00 1280.00Includes Leather Seating Surfaces, 4-Way ...Power Front Passenger Seat with Lumbar .....Support, Satin Mahogany Wood-Grain-Style ...Interior Trim, Leather-Wrapped Steering ....Wheel and Leather-Wrapped Shift Knob With ..Satin Mahogany Wood-Grain-Style Inlay ......Voice-Activated Touch-Screen DVD ........... 2580.00 2085.00Navigation System with JBL Synthesis .......Surround Sound AM/FM 4 Disc In-Dash CD .....Changer with Integrated XM Satellite Radio .and XM NavTraffic with 3-Month Trial .......Subscription, MP3/WMA Playback Capability, .USB Port with iPod Connectivity, ...........Hands-free Phone Capability and Music ......Streaming Via Bluetooth Wireless ...........Technology, FM Diversity Reception and 13 ..Speakers ...................................Panoramic Glass Roof ....................... 1050.00 840.00with Front Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof .......Preferred Accessory Package ................ 434.00 282.00 --------- --------- ---------Total Accessories ...........................: $ 6524.00 $ 5175.00 $ 6524.00Destination Charge ..........................: $ 750.00 $ 750.00TDA .........................................: $ 331.00Gasoline ....................................: $ 9.84Dealer Holdback .............................: $ 562.00Whsl. Financial Reserve .....................: $ 281.00 --------- ---------Total .......................................: $ 31555.84 $ 35374.00
#457 of 596 Re: 2010 purchase [jkim069]
by craigd1
Dec 29, 2009 (10:18 pm)
Sunnyvale Toyota
recommend you buy b4 yr end - get the tax deduction
#458 of 596 2010 Venza V6 FWD in L.A. region (2812)
by actionjh
Dec 31, 2009 (2:39 pm)
Thank you all for your help and sharing your precious buying experience/prices. I finally pulled the trigger on the Venza last night. Just in time for tax deduction. Venza V-6 in the Los Angeles is quite allocated, and it's hard to locate one with the option packages and color I wanted. Thus, making the negotiation process difficult. If there was more inventory available, I am sure obtaining a lower cost wouldn't be an issue.
I took delivery of the vehicle at online invoice cost. Which was different from the dealer invoice. Dealer Invoice adds TDA (regional advertising fees) + gas to the equation. For LA region, that's $340.84 difference. ($331 TDA + $9.84 Gas).
If you can get any Venza V6 at below online invoice prices, you got yourself an awesome deal. Good luck shopping!
#459 of 596 Re: 2010 Venza V6 FWD in L.A. region (2812) [actionjh]
by jkim069
Dec 31, 2009 (3:18 pm)
Congratulations on your V6 purchase, Actionjh! Sorry for not responding to your previous posts regarding Venza pricing, but I haven't been on-line much during the holidays.
I wasn't able to locate a FWD V6 with the colors and options I wanted, so I decided to wait on the car that Dealer 1 expects to receive in late January/early February. I'll miss the deduction for sales taxes that ends 12/31/09, but I decided it was worth waiting on the car that I really wanted, especially since I plan to drive my Venza for a very long time.
I hope you enjoy your Venza and continue posting about your experiences with your new car!
#460 of 596 Re: 2010 Venza V6 Fwd in SF Bay Area (East Bay) [actionjh]
by jb_turner
Dec 31, 2009 (4:13 pm)
Just shop OTD.. we all pay it.
#461 of 596 Re: 2010 Venza V6 FWD in L.A. region (2812) [jkim069]
by actionjh
Dec 31, 2009 (4:31 pm)
No problem at all. Thank you.
Have you tried searching your Grey Venza in the L.A. area? Might have better luck.
Hopefully by Feb when the demand tapers off, you will be able to negotiate a better deal if the inventory piles up.
There were 3 other Venza V6 on the lot, but they weren't fully loaded like the one you want having LX, NV, SR, and CF or Z1. Will let you know if I come across any.
I also plan to drive the Venza for a long time. Just purchased Toyota Extra Care Platinum from Midwest Superstore. Hopefully this 8yr coverage is worth the investment.
#462 of 596 Re: 2010 Venza V6 Fwd in SF Bay Area (East Bay) [jb_turner]
by actionjh
Dec 31, 2009 (4:36 pm)
I wish buying Toyota is as simple as Honda.
Everything being equal, yes, the easier way is to shop OTD. However, when dealing with vehicles with different options and difference MSRP/Invoice prices, shopping for OTD would not be a comprehensive comparsion.
#463 of 596 Re: 2010 Venza V6 FWD in L.A. region (2812) [jkim069]
by mlinenb
Dec 31, 2009 (8:14 pm)
I picked up a Venza today and I think the price was very fair.
2010- V6 FWD
Premium Package #2
Navigation
Panoramic Roof
Tow Prep Package
Carpet Mats
Accent Stripe
SE Destination Surcharge $25
Drop Hitch Receiver
MSRP- 38,017
Invoice- 33,818
I paid 32,600- plus 589.50 doc fee, plus tax, tag, title. Along with oil change/all service at 5k and 10k miles and a full tank of gas.
Even with doc fee- I'm thinking I paid less or very close to less than what they paid for it. It was a cash deal, no trade in.
#464 of 596 Re: 2010 Venza V6 FWD in L.A. region (2812) [mlinenb]
by actionjh
Jan 02, 2010 (2:47 am)
Hi jkim069:
Congrats on closing the deal before year end. Glad you got a good deal. There were a lot of people at the dealership when I picked up the car on the 31st. The fleet manager was so busy that he basically just handed me the key, sign here and ready to say bye to me. Didn't even bother to show me features on the car. I understand he wanted to get back to close more deals. We shook hands and that was it.
On the way driving back home, I noticed a light clicking noise from the tranny around 1-2mph and car sitting at stop light has noticeable vibration coming from the brake pedal and the steering wheel. Is that normal? I expected Toyota to run very smooth. Has anyone experienced the same thing? (I'd owned 2000 Acura 3.2TL and 2008 Honda Odyssey). This is the first Toyota for me. Kind of disappointed on the rough idle.
$589.50 doc fee? Was that a typo?
#465 of 596 Re: 2010 Venza V6 FWD in L.A. region (2812) [actionjh]
by jkim069
Jan 02, 2010 (11:22 am)
Dealer 1 didn't ask me to sign any paperwork or provide a deposit for the car scheduled to arrive later this month, so hopefully I'll actually get to purchase the car for the agreed-upon price. He seems pretty up and up compared to the some of the other salesmen I heard from here in the Bay Area.
The estimated license fee is $519, the document fee is $55.