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Toyota Venza, Car Buying, Car Leasing, SUV
#297 of 596 Re: Already Frustrated! [katylin1]
Jul 05, 2009 (6:22 pm)
...must be nice for Toyota to afford to pick & choose their customer.
The difference is that Toyota has been able to sell on aspects other than price. They've also been able to really control (at least in the case of the Venza) the supply such that they aren't in a situation where they have to resort to massive discounts below invoice to keep the inventory moving.
That's why any hint of quality slippage or even just the domestics getting that much better (the 2010 Buick Lacrosse is a good example) is a threat to Toyota and, specifically, the distributors that have relied on low-value, high-margin tack-ons. On the plus side, that should level the playing field a bit when it comes to pricing.
Not trying to defend it, but the distributors and dealers definitely know exactly what they are doing and what they can do to maximize profit while satisfying customer demand.
#298 of 596 Re: Already Frustrated! [qs933]
Jul 06, 2009 (4:19 am)
......Not trying to defend it, but the distributors and dealers definitely know exactly what they are doing and what they can do to maximize profit while satisfying customer demand..................
Not buying it. For those us of from from other regions, we know better and the word is finally getting out. Justify Toyo guard please, how satisfying is it to overpay for that?
#299 of 596 Re: Already Frustrated! [qs933]
Jul 06, 2009 (5:42 am)
Your point is well taken, but you failed to addresses is that the "distributors" in those regions are inflating..and controlling the Toyota pricing thus forcing the dealers to charge or sell the vehicles sccordingly. I am in the Nort east (NJ) and here the dealers get their vehicles directly from Toyota thus allowing them to sell at what the market will bear or better yet according to their own business needs rather than having to sell based on the additional charges tacked on by the distributors.
I always heard from friends of ours that cars in North were cheaper than in the South and I thought that that was just a perception..now I know why..
#300 of 596 Re: Already Frustrated! [roho1]
Jul 06, 2009 (12:57 pm)
Will reemphasize that I'm not trying to defend the practices of SET or GST. I'm just amazed that folks seem surprised that the distributor does things to -- gasp -- increase their profit.
As long as there enough buyers in those regions who purchase on 1) impulse; 2) lack of information; and 3) a determination that the value of buying a Toyota exceeds the pain of paying for Toyoguard, SET and GST will continue to push high-margin add-ons because they know the vehicles will still sell.
With all the education that's out there (Edmunds, these types of forums, etc.) and the relative ease of purchasing vehicles by email from a dealer hundreds of miles away, combined with a general improvement in other manufacturer's vehicles relative to Toyota, market forces will eventually drive down the selling power of SET and GST. That will lead to them to rethink their strategy.
#301 of 596 Re: Already Frustrated! [qs933]
Jul 06, 2009 (3:38 pm)
It certainly does sound like your defending their practices. I don't begrudge any business from making a profit, that's what business is all about. When a middle man is allowed by Toyota to gouge it's customers with mindless options then that's when I draw the line.
I hope your right that the real word gets out to more Toyota customers about these extra add ons and they will decide to say no.
I recall the days when dealers would tack on a sheet next to the sticker price with all kind of add ons like dealer prep for $200-500, twenty five cent stripes for $250, undercarrage rust proofing for $500 and on and on until customers finally said no. Actually some still try to get away with it and probably do. As Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute.
#303 of 596 Venza - Good Dealerships in CT & How much you paid for it?
Jul 06, 2009 (1:10 pm)
To be honest, I've been holding off buying a Toyota because I've heard so much stories about horrifying salesmen at Colonial Toyota in Milford, CT and the non haggle pricing of some dealerships(they include lifetime tires, oil changes,etc). I really love the Venza, but getting the best price is so much hassle and the internet sales managers were not willing to negotiate. They quoted me $4450 above Edmunds price and when I told him, he said he doesn't know how I got that figure and Edmunds don't even sell cars. I wonder if Toyota Corp. knows that they are loosing some customers because of their dealerships.
How much did you pay for yours?
Edmunds TMV: $27,750 (Dealer $32200)
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#304 of 596 Re: Already Frustrated! [roho1]
Jul 06, 2009 (11:20 pm)
It certainly does sound like your defending their practices.
Fine. I really don't care what it sounds like. I'm not going to debate that point any further.
Let me ask you this: what do you think needs to be done to address what's happening? Do you think Toyota should step in and buy out their distributors? Do you think the government should step in to protect the consumers, like they did with the Monroney Act?
#305 of 596 Try to get Venza V6 AWD in CA
Jul 07, 2009 (12:15 am)
I am looking for Venza V6 AWD with LX, NV, PC, SR, TO in Blizzard Pearl/gray leather, the best quote I can get in bay area is $35100 ($500 over invoice, $3594 off MSRP) including carpet set, cargo net, and rear bumper protector, but since this combination is out of stock in whole bay area and need to wait for 1.5 months to get the car. Do you think is it a good deal?
I can find the car in LA area, but don't know if it worth to fly to LA to get the car or not. Can anyone let me know your best deal in LA area? Then I can have the rough idea how to make offer to LA dealership. Usually, people can get around 1K cheaper from LA area than bay area, but don't know how Venza will be due to not a lot of inventory in CA currently. It's hard to negotiate with dealership now.
Need your kindly advise. Thanks.
#306 of 596 Re: Already Frustrated! [qs933]
Jul 07, 2009 (3:26 am)
Not sure why your grilling me, if you aren't defending Toyota.
But I think Toyota should clean up it's own mess.
Did you read the article posted here in Motor Trend?