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Re: Toyota Venza Prices Paid and Buying Experience [kyfdx]
by greatguineapig
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Jul 03, 2009 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Nov 07, 2008 3:27 am)
Anyone have any recommendations on any dealers in the Orlando, FL area...I'm willing to drive a little ways. The reason I ask, all the dealers here are really starting to piss me off. They won't go anymore than $1500 msrp (and this is with a lot of banter) on a 4 cycl 2wd venza. This is even with options I don't want and me being very lenient on my color choices...pretty much picking from what they have on lot. I am doing all my negotiations via e-mail also. Thanks.
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Re: LONG Buying Experience Post [vestirse]
by jkl99
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Jul 03, 2009 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: vestirse (Jun 30, 2009 11:58 am)
Thanks, vertirse. I have contacted City Toyota as well as some other Toyota dealers near where I live. I will let you know once I have bought my Venza.
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Re: Toyota Venza Prices Paid and Buying Experience [greatguineapig]
by roho1
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Jul 03, 2009 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: greatguineapig (Jul 03, 2009 9:21 am)
Good Luck. Do a search on Southeast Toyota here, known as SET. They make it very difficult compared to other regions. Being a new Florida resident myself I have resigned myself to either going out of State or not to buy a Toyota at all.
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Re: Toyota Venza Prices Paid and Buying Experience [roho1]
by svofan2
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Jul 03, 2009 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: roho1 (Jul 03, 2009 1:07 pm)
I feel sorry for those of you who live in the Southeast...Toyotas are not sold directly to dealers but to a distributor (middle man..) that adds items to the cars to increase their price (profits) and the dealers are very limited on what they can do when oit comes time to sell, since they also have to make money..the same happens in the Southwest. These are the only 2 areas in the country where Toyota has a "distributor" and for what I read this is a practice going back many years..about the time Toyota started selling cars in the USA..good luck
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Re: Toyota Venza Prices Paid and Buying Experience [svofan2]
by qs933
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Jul 05, 2009 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: svofan2 (Jul 03, 2009 2:53 pm)
Like the Southeast and Gulf State regions, Toyota uses a distributor in Hawaii (Servco). We rarely share in the same customer rebates or other incentive offers that are common elsewhere.
Servco also owns most of the retail dealer network in Hawaii, so on the plus side, they are pretty good about limiting distributor add-ons. They make their money on the retail side.
The downside is that they have pretty good control over pricing within the state. It's also much more difficult to buy out-of-state logistically, and Legislative changes to the way excise tax is applied to out-of-state new vehicle purchases sapped a lot of the potential savings.
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Re: Toyota Venza Prices Paid and Buying Experience [greatguineapig]
by katylin1
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Jul 05, 2009 (4:31 pm)
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Replying to: greatguineapig (Jul 03, 2009 9:21 am)
I'm glad there's someone else just as irritated as I am with the GulfState (Texas, Louisana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, ??) and SouthEast (Florida, Georgia, North & South Carolina, ?? forgot ) Toyota Distributors.
Svofan2 has helped alot with the frustration level and providing me with some insight. If nothing else I'm alittle better prepared for the second round coming. If you really don't care about (or for some indifferent or with a fat wallet) it's relatively easy to get a really nice internet quote. Of course the price of the vehicle is very very bloated but hey for many people that's still a good deal to get something you don't want but at a discount.
Anyway, enough with the griping, but if anyone who is dealing with a Toyota dealership NOTin the Distributors areas please post and let me know if they're more flexible. I'm going to try in a few more months.
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Re: Already Frustrated! [svofan2]
by katylin1
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Jul 05, 2009 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: svofan2 (Jun 28, 2009 5:40 pm)
You are quite right in your info. One dealership finally found the options I wanted on the car, but had the leather package included. So I ask $$ he quoted $29.625 MSRP but when I said it was more than what I wanted to pay for he said he did his very best for me and wish me luck. I was so surprised I said thanks and goodbye. I mean he didn't even want to negotiate. Here I am with bank check and loan check all ready and he didn't even care. I mean like wow...must be nice for Toyota to afford to pick & choose their customer.
I'm thinking about Fitzmall and also neighboring states like Kansas -- in a few more months. If you know of any reputable non-GulfState area...pass the great info on!
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Re: Already Frustrated! [katylin1]
by qs933
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Jul 05, 2009 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: katylin1 (Jul 05, 2009 4:37 pm)
...must be nice for Toyota to afford to pick & choose their customer.
The difference is that Toyota has been able to sell on aspects other than price. They've also been able to really control (at least in the case of the Venza) the supply such that they aren't in a situation where they have to resort to massive discounts below invoice to keep the inventory moving.
That's why any hint of quality slippage or even just the domestics getting that much better (the 2010 Buick Lacrosse is a good example) is a threat to Toyota and, specifically, the distributors that have relied on low-value, high-margin tack-ons. On the plus side, that should level the playing field a bit when it comes to pricing.
Not trying to defend it, but the distributors and dealers definitely know exactly what they are doing and what they can do to maximize profit while satisfying customer demand.
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Re: Already Frustrated! [qs933]
by roho1
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Jul 06, 2009 (3:19 am)
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Replying to: qs933 (Jul 05, 2009 5:22 pm)
......Not trying to defend it, but the distributors and dealers definitely know exactly what they are doing and what they can do to maximize profit while satisfying customer demand..................
Not buying it. For those us of from from other regions, we know better and the word is finally getting out. Justify Toyo guard please, how satisfying is it to overpay for that?
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Re: Already Frustrated! [qs933]
by svofan2
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Jul 06, 2009 (4:42 am)
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Replying to: qs933 (Jul 05, 2009 5:22 pm)
Your point is well taken, but you failed to addresses is that the "distributors" in those regions are inflating..and controlling the Toyota pricing thus forcing the dealers to charge or sell the vehicles sccordingly. I am in the Nort east (NJ) and here the dealers get their vehicles directly from Toyota thus allowing them to sell at what the market will bear or better yet according to their own business needs rather than having to sell based on the additional charges tacked on by the distributors.
I always heard from friends of ours that cars in North were cheaper than in the South and I thought that that was just a perception..now I know why..
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