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#973 of 1243 2011 Venza
Mar 29, 2009 (2:04 pm)
I read where the government is proposing a requirement that 2011 model year passenger vehicles achieve 27.3mpg, lower than the previous standard..
Isn't the current Venza called a 2010?
Regarding the 27.3 mpg requirement: Is that a standard for a "corporate average fuel efficiency" I believe that is what CAFE stands for? In that case, Toyota could achieve a 27.3 CAFE if they average in the Prius. They may just need to produce more Prius. The article did not stipulate it was CAFE, it just said 2011 models.
Also, is the 27.3 an average city/highway?
The Venza is in a pretty favorable position to achieve the figure for highway, especially the 4 cylinder. I wonder what "tricks" Toyota has to improve efficiency? Too bad the Venza is carrying so much weight.
I am just rambling ... anyone read anything more definitive?
#974 of 1243 Re: vtec [kdhspyder]
Mar 29, 2009 (6:00 pm)
Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't Toyota have a 2.7L 4 cyl in some of their smaller or midsized pickup trucks not long ago?
#975 of 1243 Re: 2011 Venza [felt]
Mar 29, 2009 (7:40 pm)
CAFE is monitored by the NHTSA not the EPA. The fuel economy ratings on the windows are specified by the EPA. The CAFE ratings are based on 1970s-era tests and are about 20% higher than the EPA ratings.
Thus the Venza would be in the 30 mpg range for CAFE.
But it's an average of all vehicles weighted for sales volume. Don't worry about it Toyota is far ahead of the curve in this.
The new CAFE 35 which is due to be fully implemented in 2020 has certain interim levels that the industry has to meet ( not each vehicle maker ). Essentially in 2020 the entire industry has to average about 35 mpg weighted for sales volume. Each maker has to be within 92% of that 35 mpg number. But again this is under the old 1970s tests which are 20% higher than the current EPA numbers.
Any vehicle in 2020 that is higher than 27-28 mpg in EPA fuel ratings will be above the average. That's a LOT of vehicles.
#976 of 1243 Re: vtec [berri]
Mar 29, 2009 (7:42 pm)
Actually they still do in the 4 cyl Tacomas. But that 2.7L engine is an older 'family' designed in the 90's. It's not part of the Dual VVTi engines in the 'R' family which are spreading all throughout the Toyota lineup now.
#977 of 1243 Re: vtec [berri]
Mar 29, 2009 (7:53 pm)
Yes, MY daily driver is a 99 Tacoma x-tra cab. with a 2.7L I4. One person I talked with at the dealership we ordered our new Venza from thought that it is the same block as my truck with a new double variable valvetrain head mounted to the top. That said, we ordered the V6 after driving both the I4 and the V6 back to back. Smoothness and brute acceleration onto a Hwy pushed us toward the V6...
Also, the "City" milage numbers I think only varied by 2 MPG and the far majority of the Venza's life will be spent at 35 MPH and slower. My truck is fine but looking at MPG ratings, it seems that the same vintage V6 truck does BETTER in both city and Hwy numbers than my I4...
#978 of 1243 Toyota Venza's i4 's any info would be nice
Mar 31, 2009 (11:24 am)
I'm buying the i4 for sure, for many reasons ,price,MPG, the v6 doesn't seem to do as well as said. any one with one or any test drive's check in tell me what you think. Thanks
#979 of 1243 Re: Toyota Venza's i4 's any info would be nice [toyotaslast]
Mar 31, 2009 (1:30 pm)
I posted my I4 test ride impressions further back in this thread. I'd opt for the 2.7L I4 myself.
Apr 01, 2009 (4:32 am)
Isn't the Venza supposed to come out as a Hybrid also?
#981 of 1243 Re: Venza Hybrid [michael2003]
Apr 01, 2009 (5:13 am)
I'm sure they're working on it, but haven't seen any news except that Toyota has a new contract with Excite to supply the batteries.
Local news report last night said Hybrids are piling up dealer lots. New rebates and incentives will make them more economical until gasoline goes back up $4-5 this summer!
#982 of 1243 Re: Venza Hybrid [roho1]
Apr 01, 2009 (7:04 am)
If you read the WSJ, hybrid sales have fallen flat (because of $2.00 gas). GM, and others, (even the Prius) are offering incentives to move them off their lots. Congress wants the auto makers to produce hybrids, but the get the public to buy them, the price of gas will need to rise.
I agree, that Toyota is planning ahead, and will offer a hybrid Venza when the demand is there, but I doubt they will rush it into production with sales of hybrids lagging.