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#771 of 1243 Re: Packages vs Ordering [felt]
Feb 14, 2009 (12:26 am)
Hello - 1st Post...
I too am looking to order a Venza - although I really want the 4 cyl version with my choice of options.
I have not seen or heard from any dealer in the Seattle area that knows anything about when the 4 cyls might arrive - So I contacted Toyota directly - and got this nice response:
"Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
We appreciate the opportunity to respond to your inquiry.
We do apologize for any confusion in determining the release date for the 2009 Toyota Venza 4 Cyl. We do expect the Venza 4 Cyl to be available this February. The Venza 4Cyl will offer the same options and features listed on the V6 model.
Vehicle allocation is based on the geographical area in which they are marketed. Toyota dealerships and distributors are prepared to take your request and make every attempt to obtain the desired vehicle.
If the dealership is unable to locate the vehicle of choice, they may submit a preference request for your desired vehicle. This preference request does not guarantee you will receive the vehicle with the exact options requested, and may create an extended wait-time.
Toyota Customer Experience"
Looks like we might be able to get our choice of options if we are willing to wait!!
#772 of 1243 Re: Packages vs Ordering [david_k1]
Feb 14, 2009 (7:12 am)
Welcome to the boards
The 2.7L models are due to arrive in many locations next week as scheduled. Geography, weather and size of the dealership may play a role in who sees one first.
#773 of 1243 Toyota is Part of GM's Turnaround Plan
Feb 14, 2009 (3:15 pm)
I looked at a Venza in person yesterday for the first time. There must be a large lot somewhere full of Cadillac Escalades up on blocks, since GM has apparently sold all the wheels to Toyota for use on the Venza...........HaHaHa......
Seriously, I was completely underwhelmed. Small cargo bay, unremarkable controls, Camry/Avalon to the max. The dealership had a Highlander Hybrid parked next to the Venza. I went back and forth a few times. Then I went home and used Edmunds new car 'comparison' tool and looked at the Venza vs. Highlander vs. Pilot vs. CR-V. Hmmmmm. My prediction: when the newness wears off (which is about 4-6 months at this time in economic history) it will become clear that Toyota has stolen a lot of sales from the Highlander. If Honda decides to import its Accord wagon, then we'll have a horse race. For now, especially with the tarted up V-6 models in the showroom, this is NOT a good nor educated purchase.
#774 of 1243 Re: Toyota is Part of GM's Turnaround Plan [rexf]
Feb 14, 2009 (3:24 pm)
I don't know if this vehicle is getting cross-shopped with the Mazda CX-7 or CX-9 or those are in a different category due to pricing or seating configurations. I am curious about the likes and dislikes between those models.
#776 of 1243 Re: Toyota is Part of GM's Turnaround Plan [rexf]
Feb 14, 2009 (6:14 pm)
Then I went home and used Edmunds new car 'comparison' tool and looked at the Venza vs. Highlander vs. Pilot vs. CR-V.
I'm curious: What conclusions were you able to make from that comparison? Neither the Pilot nor the CR-V are apples-to-apples comparisons to the Venza, which is a good reason for Honda to look at introducing a version of the Accord wagon in the US.
Feb 14, 2009 (7:48 pm)
I've looked at both the sienna and venza, the only thing in favor of the venza is that there is more goodies that are coming with the venza base model. Other then that , a minivan is unbeatable when you compare practicality and comfort for the money.
O the Venza looks better and different....but its not very important to me.
#778 of 1243 Re: Toyota is Part of GM's Turnaround Plan [qs933]
Feb 15, 2009 (9:30 am)
You are correct that this is not a comparison of models that are clearly 'the same.' I used it to see what you would get if you bought a Venza over a Highlander or Pilot or CR-V. The Highlander and Pilot offer more room at a comparable price and with comparable performance and economy. Toyota and Honda both produce well made cars so that is a toss up, although Honda generally trumps Toyota in terms of innovative interior features. The conclusion I reached was that there was no reason to buy a Venza over a Highlander. The fairer comparison is between a 4 cylinder AWD Venza and a CR-V in EX-L trim. The CR-V is smaller outside, has more cargo room and other interior dimensions very close to the Venza. The CR-V motor has less power, but it's hauling 450 pounds less weight (tsk, tsk on Toyota for producing another fatty). I'd say it's a tossup there, but I'd favor the CR-V which will be several thousand dollars cheaper than the Venza in comparable trim. Given that CR-V sales are down, Honda dealers may be more likely to discount their stock than Toyota dealers with a new model. You are correct that Honda should import the Tourer wagon, which would give Toyota a run for the money. As always, you should drive these competing models to decide for yourself what you like. You should include the Mazda CX-7 and CX-9 as well and perhaps a Ford product.
#779 of 1243 These last several posts..
Feb 15, 2009 (11:00 am)
..have touched upon the wide variety of tastes and needs from the small entry-level RAV CR-V to the Venza/BMW/CX7/Accord to the Sienna to the CX9/Highlander/Pilot.
This is why the Venza and soon the others will exist. None of the foregoing vehicles meets all the preferences and needs of the entire population. It's a subsegment of 'utility' vehicle that has attraction for a certain part of the population. None of these are 'good' or 'bad'. They just 'fit' or 'don't fit'.
What the smart marketers have done is provide a series of choices for the huge number of the public which soon will be dropping off their SUVs and luxo-trucks in favor of smaller vehicles with better fuel economy but still some utility. These vehicles are a 'net' to capture as many of these defectors from the BOF-type vehicles. If these new options didn't exist the buyers would go elsewhere. That's a mortal sin in marketing.
#780 of 1243 Re: Toyota is Part of GM's Turnaround Plan [rexf]
Feb 15, 2009 (1:32 pm)
The conclusion I reached was that there was no reason to buy a Venza over a Highlander.
For you, maybe. For me, there are several reasons to choose the Venza over the Highlander:
I like the ride-height of a CUV/SUV and the flexibility to occasionally haul something that would be difficult in a sedan.
I don't need a 3rd row of seats and the associated equipment that goes along with it (i.e. the rear air conditioner, which is optional, but can be found on most Limiteds)
Based on the configurations brought in by my distributor, the Venza (Premium Package #1 + JBL) was about $2K cheaper than the Highlander Limited (JBL + Rear AC + Power Rear Door + spoiler).
Venza leans more towards luxury (large wheels, standard dual-zone AC, optional HIDs, JBL Synthesis, soft-touch dash) while sacrificing some utility. Highlander leans more towards the utilitarian (flexible 2nd row seat) and sacrifices some luxury (hard plastic dash surfaces, plain leather seats).
As for the comparison between the CR-V and the Venza, I think it's fair to assume that some people will cross-shop between the two given the pricing overlap (high-end CR-V to 4-cyl Venza). I like the CR-V and it should be a little more nimble given that it's almost a foot shorter in length than the Venza.
The main reasons I didn't seriously consider it was 1) Like the Highlander (and Pilot), Honda leaned more towards utility rather than luxury; and 2) the 4-cylinder needs more power. From a fuel economy perspective, the CR-V 2WD is rated at a combined 23 MPG. The Venza V6 2WD is rated at a combined 22 MPG.
...Honda generally trumps Toyota in terms of innovative interior features
What kind of features?