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#1099 of 1243 Venza vs 2010 Outback
May 30, 2009 (3:55 pm)
I have to wonder: Toyota owns 16% of Subaru. Subaru plant in Indiana where Outback comes from also makes Camrys for Toyota. And, future Toyota Supra (awd) is being co-developed by Toyota and Subaru. So, anyone else think Venza and new Outback look enough alike to wonder if Venza and Subaru co-developed this chassis?
I thought seriously about buying a 4-cyl. Venza a few months ago, and passed because of ridiculous wheel and tire choice by Toyota. There are only two manufacturers that make tires for that size, and they are both sub-par. Thanks to a little announcement from Subaru, I waited and now I may be able to get a nice AWD, 4-cyl vehicle, with a 6-speed manual, for several thousand $$ less than Venza. And have decent tires.
#1100 of 1243 Re: Venza vs 2010 Outback [ecotrklvr]
Jun 02, 2009 (3:22 pm)
I thought Toyota owned 51% of Subaru?
#1101 of 1243 Re: Venza vs 2010 Outback [petl]
Jun 02, 2009 (3:44 pm)
Could be. Wiki says 16.5%. What's your source?
Also, any comment on the subject of the post - is Venza a twin of the 2010 Outback? Distant cousin?
#1102 of 1243 Re: Venza vs 2010 Outback [petl]
Jun 03, 2009 (12:26 pm)
I believe that Toyota bought out GM's 16.5% share of Subaru. GM sold it to parent Fuji Industries which then resold it to Toyota.
The first benefit was that about 100,000 Camry units were able to be offloaded to the Subie plant in Indiana instead of imported from Japan.
The 2nd benefit is that Subaru is making a small RWD sportster that will be marketed by both companies.
#1103 of 1243 Re: Venza vs 2010 Outback [ecotrklvr]
Jun 03, 2009 (12:52 pm)
My memory must be going. I thought I had read the 51% info in a business magazine.
#1104 of 1243 Re: Venza vs 2010 Outback [kdhspyder]
Jun 03, 2009 (12:53 pm)
Thanks for the clarification on Toyota's share.
#1105 of 1243 Re: Venza vs 2010 Outback [ecotrklvr]
Jun 03, 2009 (4:40 pm)
More of that convergent design effect than anything else. The engines, transmissions and AWD design are all completely different between the two.
#1106 of 1243 Re: Honda CUV [milkman1]
Jun 06, 2009 (6:27 pm)
For those still curious about Honda's Venza-like crossover (to be named CrossTour), there are new spy photos here. There's a shot of the dash as well as the cargo area.
My opinion (and take it for what it's worth as a Venza owner): I hope it looks better in person than it does in photos. That side profile makes the rear look huge (look at the size of the rear bumper!).
I prefer the wagon-like profile of the Venza versus the coupe-hatchback approach Honda is taking. Note that the cargo area is shallow enough to use a fixed cargo cover (as opposed to the Venza's window-shade style cover).
To me, the CrossTour looks like a bigger Insight or Prius, while the Venza looks like a giant Matrix.
#1107 of 1243 Re: Honda CUV [qs933]
Jun 06, 2009 (7:43 pm)
What is it crossing over from? It looks like a fast back Accord. I'm disappointed, was hoping Honda was bringing over the Tourer which was more like the Venza concept.
Is that an Aztec like rear window I see? If this is Honda's answer to the Venza they have missed the boat.
#1108 of 1243 Re: Venza vs 2010 Outback [volkov]
Jun 09, 2009 (8:40 am)
True. I like the 2.7L in the Venza, but like the option the Subie offers of 6-speed manual or CVT. The AWD as well. Not forgetting the Venza's undesirable factory wheel/tire combo on the 4-cyl.