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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 24, 2009 6:26 pm) Your post seems to be predicated on the idea that GM cars are bad, even compared to Toyotas? How do you feel the quality of the newer GM offerings is of the last few years sans the legacy vehicles that everyone kvetches about thinking GM should just quit making anything that poster doesn't like. Obviously in a business world they have to keep building pickup trucks and selling them because of their investment and the cost of scrapping a plant and rebuilding with a new design next week. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Oct 25, 2009 6:35 am) I think as CEO I'd have to put a lot of energy into getting GM products off the "worst THIS" and "worst THAT" lists that we find everywhere we look. This is not good. Example**: (from Consumer Reports Publications) **(shifty note A) Please note only one Japanese car on the list: ** (shifty note B) Please also note that THREE of the GM brands listed are now extinct (or soon to be) ** (shifty note C) Please also note that the healthiest of the D3 has no cars on the list "Worst of the worst" These have multiple years of much-worse-than-average reliability among 1999 to 2008 models. Listed alphabetically. Audi A6 Allroad Audi A8 BMW X5 (V8) Buick Rendezvous (AWD) Cadillac SRX Chevrolet Blazer Chevrolet Colorado (4WD) Chevrolet S-10 (4WD) Chevrolet Uplander Chevrolet Venture Chrysler Pacifica Chrysler Sebring convertible Chrysler Town & Country (AWD) Dodge Grand Caravan (AWD) GMC Canyon (4WD) GMC Jimmy GMC S-15 Sonoma (4WD) Jeep Grand Cherokee Kia Sedona Land Rover Discovery, LR3 Mazda RX-8 Oldsmobile Bravada Oldsmobile Silhouette Pontiac Aztek Pontiac G6 (V6) Pontiac Montana, Montana SV6 Porsche Cayenne Saturn Relay Volkswagen Cabrio Volkswagen Jetta (V6) Volkswagen New Beetle (turbo) Volkswagen Passat (V6, FWD) Volkswagen Touareg Volvo XC90 (6-cyl.) CONCLUSION? Public perception REALLY matters.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 25, 2009 9:10 am) Interesting to note that only two of the GM cars on the list will be in production next year (and that's really just one because the Canyon and Colorado are the same vehicle).
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Replying to: vinnyny (Oct 25, 2009 1:49 pm) But aside from reliability, --it's the styling, comfort and performance that matter the most. I'd say the cost of the car, if its a few hundred or even a thousand more than the competition, is not a factor for success if everything else is really really good. Toyota has pretty much proven this, as has BMW and Subaru. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 23, 2009 11:54 am) This doesn't prove that the wages of UAW members failed to keep pace with inflation. The number of UAW workers in that 90 percent is literally a drop in the bucket...if that amount. An increase in UAW wages would simply be overwhelmed by the direction of everyone else's wages in that income bracket of society. The bottom 90 percent of the population also includes illegal immigrants and the native workers who compete directly with them. Ilegal immigration produces downward pressure on the wages of people who compete directly with them in the employment market for jobs. This downward pressure will affect the entire 90 percent bracket.
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Replying to: grbeck (Oct 26, 2009 7:08 am) Households earning over $100,000 is about 15%. (85th percentile and above) At $60000 per year, a UAW worker would be in the 63rd percentile. A person earning minimum wage would be in about the 15th percentile. U.S. national median is about $44,000 (50th percentile). SOURCE: US Census Bureau, 2005 No matter how you cut it, if you're in 90th percentile or less, you are earning less money than you used to. |
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Replying to: vinnyny (Oct 25, 2009 1:49 pm) Also, you earlier posted about the southern states offering tons of incentives to the the "foreign" manufacturers and not to the domestics. You do understand that this is based on new plants / facilities and the "incentives" don't last forever, usually lasting 5 ~ 10 years? Also, why would you offer a tax incentive when you don't have to? I mean, there may be a reason to do it, like if you're Michigan and you're trying to keep your one ecomonic base, but then can you actually afford reduced tax revenue? Unlike what the Fox gang thinks, you can't just cut taxes - eventually you're going to have to raise very high & very quickly. Don't get me wrong, you've made good points & I agree with some of them. But the bottom line again comes to product, market knowledge, labor, management, willing to correct errors and being fleet of foot, especially in the global world. |
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