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What if you were in charge of GM?

874 messages,  Last post on Oct 28, 2009 at 10:20 AM

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Re: One more reason they failed... [berri] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 23, 2009 (4:56 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Oct 23, 2009 4:45 pm)

Selling below cost in the USA is called "dumping" and is severely frowned upon. I doubt Korea would risk the undoubtedly nasty repercussions of such behavior.
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Re: One more reason they failed... [Mr_Shiftright] by berri
Oct 23, 2009 (5:06 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 23, 2009 4:56 pm)

What repercussions? Maybe it will change under Obama, but there aren't too many of these and when one is done its usually some kind of political show. Besides, there's probably nothing against Korea giving favorable financing, etc. to Hyundai. And then you've got to get the WTC to take America's side in the dispute, something that isn't easy to get with so many countries seemingly routing against us. Obama's move against Chinese tires is relatively short in timeframe because the WTC is so slow in action they are probably betting on it expiring before WTC actually acts.
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Re: One more reason they failed... [berri] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 23, 2009 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Oct 23, 2009 5:06 pm)

I think if there was a case for dumping it would definitely have been implemented by pressures exerted by the D3. The last time the Japanese did this, the stop leak really hit the fan---Congress went ballistic on them. Threats of embargo were the mildest reaction.
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Re: One more reason they failed... [Mr_Shiftright] by vinnyny
Oct 24, 2009 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 23, 2009 7:51 pm)

You guys are missing the point. The foreign automakers don't have to "dump" anything. They build most of the cars here using cheap labor in Alabama, South Carolina, and other states that offered HUGE incentive packages. The point was that domestic automakers are straddled with bloated UAW contracts and do not receive preferential tax treatment--hence they're at a disadvantage to their Asian competition. I'm willing to bet that Honda builds a greater share of its US products in the US than GM does its so-called domestics. (Again, thanks NAFTA).
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Re: One more reason they failed... [vinnyny] by imidazol97
Oct 24, 2009 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Oct 24, 2009 5:43 am)

>that Honda builds a greater share of its US products
 
What percentage of cars does Honda and Toyota build here in the US? Someone had numbers couple years ago, and it was less than they would like us to believe.
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Re: One more reason they failed... [vinnyny] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 24, 2009 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Oct 24, 2009 5:43 am)

Too simplistic. If that were true, how would one explain the success of BMW, Porsche or even some models of Ford? None use cheap labor.
 
Blaming the UAW for the wreck of GM is like blaming the crew of the Titanic for hitting the iceberg while failing to mention the participation of the captain and officers.
 
The UAW doesn't vote every time GM decides to cheapen some part or under-develop some model, nor does it have anything to do with advertising, marketing, and the dealer networks, nor does it interfere in the financial arm and its policies.
 
If the UAW built the very best cars in the world and charged extra for them, do you really think consumers would refuse to buy them?
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Re: One more reason they failed... [Mr_Shiftright] by steve_ HOST
Oct 24, 2009 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 24, 2009 7:55 am)

I wonder if BMW or Porsche has a union rep sitting on their boards? Remember, there's now a UAW-VEBA seat on new GM board.
 
Ok, nosing around, it looks like German employees have a lot of influence on how a corporation is run. A while back the number two at BMW, Wolfgang Reitzle, was in line to be CEO, but a lone dissenting vote from the employee rep against him led him to turn down the job (he had the votes, but didn't want the workers against him). That's one version of the story anyway.
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Re: One more reason they failed... [steve_] by berri
Oct 24, 2009 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 24, 2009 8:24 am)

The Europeans are also pretty generous to their industries. The German car industry in not unlike the Airbus situation. That may be how they get by with their very generous employee benefits.
 
The Asians don't have the legacy costs of the US and Europe. That may start changing in the next decade.
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Re: One more reason they failed... [berri] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 24, 2009 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: berri (Oct 24, 2009 10:34 am)

I think GM would have problems no matter where they built their cars.
 
China now owns Hummer. It'll be interesting to see how that pans out.
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Re: One more reason they failed... [berri] by british_rover
Oct 24, 2009 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: berri (Oct 24, 2009 10:34 am)

The unions in Europe are so much more powerful then here you can't even compare them evenly.
 
Have we ever had a real full on general strike in the US? Not that I am aware of but in European companies the unions used to be able to pull one off.
 
The european automakers don't have nearly the healthcare costs that we have in the US because all countries have either a single payer system, NHS in the UK for example, or highly regulated gov't subsidized plans through their employer like germany has.

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