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What if you were in charge of GM?

874 messages,  Last post on Oct 28, 2009 at 10:20 AM

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Re: In charge of GM [lemko] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 31, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 31, 2009 5:17 am)

Nostalgia styling tends to be a dead end for a car company. Only company that even remotely pulled it off was Ford with the Mustang and they aren't doing all that well either. I don't think you'll be seeing 1965 Mercedes tailfin cars and 1965 Toyota Cressidas anytime soon.
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Re: In charge of GM [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Aug 31, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 31, 2009 8:30 am)

Well, the rear quarter panel accent line in the new W212 E-class is cribbed from the ponton. Maybe the next E will be a fintail!
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Re: In charge of GM [fintail] by lemko
Aug 31, 2009 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 31, 2009 9:06 am)

Would you buy a new retro-styled Mercedes that looked like a fintail provided it was tastefully executed?
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Re: In charge of GM [lemko] by fintail
Aug 31, 2009 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 31, 2009 9:08 am)

I don't know if tailfins can be "tasteful" ....but I suspect something could be done with a W108 style car. The SL is kind of retro too, it has a lot of old subtle styling cues. But yeah, if a design could be hatched with some of the presence and dignity of the past, I would have an eye on it. I'd also like a "retro" car in terms of sturdy build quality and lack of technology for the sake of technology. I don't need 14 computers to determine the angle of my seatback.
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Re: In charge of GM [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 31, 2009 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 31, 2009 9:14 am)

Electronic sophistication is a major selling point. 99% of the buying public (which may not be you and me) does not want a return to simplicity, any more than they want to live in log cabins on little farms and grow their own food.
 
If anything, GMs lagging technology has hurt their image. Doubt that? Look at the two GM brands that enjoy some prestige---Corvette and Cadillac---both are easily the most hi-tech in the product line.
 
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Re: In charge of GM [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Aug 31, 2009 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 31, 2009 9:16 am)

Funny thing is you can still get that cloth or pleather interior 4cyl diesel manual climate control E-class in Europe - where dare I say the automotive scene is more sophisticated than here. Our bourgeoisie are just too spoiled.
 
But yeah, GM hasn't been a tech leader in a long time, and when they were leaders, they were always "almost" there (airbags, FI, etc) and didn't complete the job (but in both cases, MB did). If GM could get away with it, I suspect they'd still be using carbs in their mainstream cars today.
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Re: In charge of GM [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 31, 2009 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 31, 2009 9:27 am)

GM hasn't been a tech leader since the 1960s. They have had a few good punches over the years, here and there, but by no means a leader, or even a major contender for that matter in dominating any area of high-tech. And even when they came out with something "first" they usually either refused to develop it further, or abandoned it. Don't ask me why, I don't know.
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Re: In charge of GM [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Aug 31, 2009 (11:40 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 31, 2009 9:49 am)

It's because the accountants didn't want to spend that $1, no matter that it could turn into $10000 down the road.
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Re: In charge of GM [fintail] by tj6968
Aug 31, 2009 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 31, 2009 11:40 am)

Don't bash accountants... that's my job someday. Hopefully I can do a better job than GM's
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Re: In charge of GM [tj6968] by fintail
Aug 31, 2009 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: tj6968 (Aug 31, 2009 12:28 pm)

You could get a lobotomy and drink a gallon of turpentine every day for 6 months and still do better than GM's planners...

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