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What if you were in charge of GM?

874 messages,  Last post on Oct 28, 2009 at 10:20 AM

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Re: more ads like this please [bpizzuti] by vinnyny
Aug 29, 2009 (6:40 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 28, 2009 6:11 pm)

If you're seeing Brooklyn, you're looking the wrong way--just like you are on the new GM ads.
 
GM has many challenges--the worst of which is the concept that foreign brands deliver better gas mileage, higher quality, and lower ownership costs. I like the new Chevy ads but they need to put more value in the equation. Specifically, if your Malibu costs less to own/operate than comparable Camrys and Accords over five years, then push that hard. If it doesn't, then figure out how to make it do so (i.e. lower the price).
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Re: more ads like this please [vinnyny] by imidazol97
Aug 30, 2009 (5:05 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Aug 29, 2009 6:40 pm)

>GM has many challenges--the worst of which is the concept that foreign brands deliver better gas mileage,
 
I believe one of the big challenges is the large cadre of people who are out to bash GM. They don't operate in current time; they operate from problems in 90s typically. It's like a political push about a Washington agenda. Every time they post in anything GM, even a positive titled forum, they kvetch about their 1989 Suburban. Nevermind all the problems foreign cars have had. Look at all the problems the mid-sized foreign offerings in the popular makes had with redesigned models: steering lead problems, creaking in the body going over twists, brakes wearing out quickly, transmissions failing regularly (of course they were replaced in some cases under the higher price warranty), transmissions having problems shifting in some situations leading to dangerous lag times, AC compressors failing, V6 engines having vibrations going in and out of the mode shutting down cylinders, lines carrying oil to the control for variable valves leaking outside the motor, and with some cars _rust_, and on.
 
The manufacturers of some car lines have been able to extend their reputation earned or gained in one period by careful advertising and with pushes on their image. But reality strikes. Read the Odyssey forum here on transmission troubles there (hasn't Honda figured out how to do transmissions?); Honda isn't covering the replacements in many cases. People stayed happy earlier when Honda replaced their transmission 2 and in some cases three times before 100,000K and then said "It's your baby from now on." The higher profit in the purchase price they were able to glean from eager customers helped make that possible as a secret warranty system that US makers couldn't do or didn't want to do due to their higher costs of manufacturing.
 
I recall about 2003 when posters bragged how the two leading cars didn't have to use rebates like the US brands (although they did have dealer incentives in some cases). Soon they were using _rebates_. So the bubbles can burst.
 
How does GM advertise to change the image and minimize the impact of the lobby of those trying to make the new GM fail?
 
How does GM change the public perception of the cars. One is change the dealership. One area dealer just remodeled their facility. just remodeled their facility.
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Re: more ads like this please [imidazol97] by tjc78
Aug 30, 2009 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Aug 30, 2009 5:05 am)

Fact of the matter is all cars suffer from problems. The reality being that perception is that foreign makes suffer from less problems than the domestics. Until that perception starts to change GM (and Ford/Chrysler) have a long road to climb. IMO Ford seems to be making headway, but GM is still lagging behind. They can use whatever slick ad campaigns they want, but what they have to do is continue ahead and keep making more successes like the Malibu. If models like that stay reliable after a few more years people will start to take notice.
 
GM should look at what Hyundai has done as a business model. They came on the scene making complete junk and now rank among the best. Yes, they still are joked upon, but the reality is they make great cars at affordable prices.
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Re: more ads like this please [imidazol97] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 30, 2009 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Aug 30, 2009 5:05 am)

We call that "karma". How a company does things in present time determines its future. GMs past can't just be erased with a snap of the fingers.
 
Sometimes companies NEVER can come back, if they screwed it up badly enough, no matter what they do.
 
Many years ago, I said something like "All of Cadillac's former customers would need to grow old and die before Cadillac becomes a prestige brand again".
 
And that is exactly what happened. The only way to erase Cadillac's past was to have it forgotten by anyone who had to live through it.
 
Maybe GM will just have to be patient
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In charge of GM by campyman
Aug 30, 2009 (7:15 am)
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I would bring back the 68,69 chevelle!!!!!
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Re: In charge of GM [campyman] by vinnyny
Aug 30, 2009 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: campyman (Aug 30, 2009 7:15 am)

I would bring back the 68,69 chevelle!!!!!
 
Why? Anything from a Cobalt SS to a Camaro will outperform it in virtually every area. How about bringing back the spirit of the Chevelle in a thoroughly modern car? Provided they don't go nuts on pricing, I'll be buying a Camaro SS convertible the day it hits the dealerships.
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Re: In charge of GM [vinnyny] by fintail
Aug 30, 2009 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Aug 30, 2009 8:20 am)

But will it weigh 4800 lbs?
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Re: In charge of GM [campyman] by lemko
Aug 31, 2009 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: campyman (Aug 30, 2009 7:15 am)

I prefer the '70 myself. I wish a current Malibu was as attractive as a 1968-70 Chevelle.
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Re: In charge of GM [lemko] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 31, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 31, 2009 5:17 am)

Nostalgia styling tends to be a dead end for a car company. Only company that even remotely pulled it off was Ford with the Mustang and they aren't doing all that well either. I don't think you'll be seeing 1965 Mercedes tailfin cars and 1965 Toyota Cressidas anytime soon.

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