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When it comes to appliances and furniture... by lemko
Jul 01, 2009 (4:50 am)
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...and such, I just buy it outright and be done with it.
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Re: Pricing [canadiantoyota] by imidazol97
Jul 01, 2009 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: canadiantoyota (Jul 01, 2009 4:04 am)

Interesting catch, canadiantoyota. I compute $606 per month using the nominal month as 30.4 days. The $279 is $19.93 per day.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [imidazol97] by dtownfb
Jul 01, 2009 (6:26 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 30, 2009 6:07 pm)

"I just bought a new car Saturday and found the process easier than the last several I had bought at a dealership I liked in a small town. But this was even nicer. I almost wanted to go back Monday and buy another. "
 
What did you buy?
 
i bought a used car 2-3 weeks ago. The dealership recently changed names and instituted a "salesman-free" zone and other policies to make the car buying experience less threatening. Looked good. I hope it works. the documentation fees were around $170 but they were spelled out. A little higher than if you did it yourself but they do need to pay someone to complete all the paperwork and make sure it gets to the right places. Plus there is the convenience factor.
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Re: question for the group [Mr_Shiftright] by blckislandguy
Jul 02, 2009 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 30, 2009 7:37 am)

Mr Shiftright, Please. Sicilian is NOT Italian.
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Re: question for the group [blckislandguy] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jul 02, 2009 6:53 pm)

LOL! I know. My Sicilian mother and Luccan father used to call their relationship a "mixed marriage".
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [cooterbfd] by blckislandguy
Jul 02, 2009 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jun 29, 2009 6:37 pm)

"Either way, they are getting the payment down....and that is what seals the deal."
 
Yes, but the Germans do it the right way. They have almost a perpetual motion machine that runs basically on status insecurity and a lack of cash. First they develop a brand that is desireable and therefore has low depreciation. Then they offer subsidized leases, not discounted purchases on one time transactions. This way you get a lot of people hooked on a very profitable treadmill cycle of leasing a car every three years. Couple this with free maintenance and a CPO program and virtually everyone (i.e., the factory, the captive finance arm, and the dealers) make money hand over fist as the dealer maintained cars come off lease, are CPOed and resold. The only guy that loses is the guy on the 3 year lease treadmill. He sure looks good though in his always new Bimmer.
 
Thanks for mentioning New Shoreham. They wouldn't let you into the Yellow Kittens if they thought that you had a leased car outside. They know better.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [blckislandguy] by cooterbfd
Jul 03, 2009 (7:16 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jul 02, 2009 7:03 pm)

".....Thanks for mentioning New Shoreham. They wouldn't let you into the Yellow Kittens if they thought that you had a leased car outside. They know better."
 
When I get my moped running, I'll have to go out there for a ride
 
Seriously, I gotta get out there....It's been too long.
 
As for the leases, I think they can be rediculous. They want $4-5 grand down, and then $400/mo for 3 yrs. Even on a small Beamer or C class, that's 10-15% of MSRP. I think I'd rather pay double per month and come out owning it w/ a 0% financing.
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Re: question for the group [Mr_Shiftright] by fezo
Jul 03, 2009 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 02, 2009 6:57 pm)

HA! A friend of mine is Sicilian and Neapolitan. Yep.
 
I'm Neapolitan and a bunch of mixed northern European bits (English, Irish, German, Dutch that I know of). Entirely different.
 
My wife's folks were Irish Catholics from Philadelphia. Her mom was from South Philly and her dad from West Philly. That, too, was something of a mixed marriage.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [cooterbfd] by fintail
Jul 03, 2009 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 03, 2009 7:16 am)

I was comparing 36 month leases with 60 month payments on the new E-class...payments were almost identical. Maybe they aren't subsidized as much as in the past.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [fintail] by blckislandguy
Jul 04, 2009 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 03, 2009 8:02 am)

This is simply a buyer vs. renter scenario linked to who gets to hold the risk. Clearly MB wants to incentivize people to buy not rent. There are several things at work here: MBUSA doesn't want to get stuck with the ticking time bomb of overestimating the residual values, interest rates in general are very low, and any car lease is a bet not only on the value of the car in three years but also macro-economic conditions. All factors combine to have MBUSA offerring low interest (ie., 1.9% up to 36 mos; 2.9% for 60 mos) on loans.
 
The advantage to the buyer is that at the end of 60 months after paying for roughly 100% of the MSRP, assuming we don't have a gas crisis or an economic meltdown he can dump the 5 year old E Class for maybe 25% of the MSRP and put that 17K or so in his pocket. Not bad. The renter (AKA , the lessor) after paying for 50% of the MSRP in his 36 month lease walks away and gets to pocket nothing. He was able to have MB pick up all the risk, though. Because of that MBUSA is going to make him pay a premium. As with houses, usually but not always, in the long run buyers do better than renters.

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