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What if you were in charge of GM?

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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [eka1] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 29, 2009 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: eka1 (Jun 29, 2009 2:51 pm)

Mexicans call themselves North Americans
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [eka1] by bpizzuti
Jun 29, 2009 (4:21 pm)
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Replying to: eka1 (Jun 29, 2009 2:51 pm)

Yeah, I live in North America, which consists of Canada, the USA, and Mexico. I guess you live in one of those countries that can't afford atlases or Google Maps.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [bpizzuti] by dave8697
Jun 29, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 29, 2009 6:49 am)

To re-iterate: why does it start so goofusly high to begin with?
 
They advertise on the tv in my area.
 
For example, new 2009 Malibu advertised for 14,900.
New Fusion for 14,900.
New Cobalt for 12,900.
New F-150 for 12,900.
 
So only those without tv don't know this.
 
There are catches when you go in. My 14,900 Malibu became 18,700 when I went to the dealer. There was $2000 for having a current GM lease that I couldn't get. There was the dest charge and there were options. Then there was about $700 of Lie in the equation. It was still a good deal. My GM card earnings would have me at 15,115 plus tax with no trade that day. About the price of a stripped '07 Civic with 20,000 miles on it.
 
Since then, one dealer has offered better once, but incentives are falling and tomorrow they may fall again. From the best deal I was offered, the car is up by 1250 as of today. With Accords being offered at 3124 off sticker, you can make the same argument about Honda's pricing. It takes 3124 off the base accord to get down to 18,366 plus tax, so I am still ahead by most of my GM card earnings to go with Malibu at 18,900-GM card =15,400. Not sure the honda includes dest. charge at 18,366.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [cooterbfd] by fintail
Jun 29, 2009 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jun 29, 2009 1:31 pm)

Size is a very small factor in this segment. Position is more important, and the entry models of brands with higher prestige (BMW, MB) are cheaper than the entry model of a brand that has had some image problems in the past 25 or so years (Caddy). It's a very debatable strategy. To regain lost ground one must be superior to the competition as well as undercutting them. People must have reasons to change, plural.
 
If one is going to spend 40-50K and cry about premium fuel, they can't truly afford the car to begin with
 
Can GM prices ever be mentioned without some big incentive scheme? Loyalty this, employee pricing that. If I was in charge of GM I'd dump all of that garbage. Just price the things.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [fintail] by imidazol97
Jun 29, 2009 (5:20 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 29, 2009 5:16 pm)

>If one is going to spend 40-50K and cry about premium fuel, they can't truly afford the car to begin with
 
When the sleek Mercedes was relatively new, I saw an SLK-55 at the local Swifty gas station and the driver was putting in his own fuel. Really looked out-of-place. In this area Swifty is a chain with a reputation for buying junk fuel. That reputation may or may not be deserved today, but I rarely have bought at their station even if pricing is substantially lower than others in area because of it. I certainly wouldn't feed my Mercedes there.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [fintail] by imidazol97
Jun 29, 2009 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 29, 2009 5:16 pm)

>If one is going to spend 40-50K and cry about premium fuel, they can't truly afford the car to begin with
 
When the sleek Mercedes was relatively new, I saw an CLK-55 at the local Swifty gas station and the driver was putting in his own fuel. Really looked out-of-place. In this area Swifty is a chain with a reputation for buying junk fuel. That reputation may or may not be deserved today, but I rarely have bought at their station even if pricing is substantially lower than others in area because of it. I certainly wouldn't feed my Mercedes there.
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [fintail] by cooterbfd
Jun 29, 2009 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 29, 2009 5:16 pm)

"......Size is a very small factor in this segment. Position is more important, and the entry models of brands with higher prestige (BMW, MB) are cheaper than the entry model of a brand that has had some image problems in the past 25 or so years (Caddy). It's a very debatable strategy. To regain lost ground one must be superior to the competition as well as undercutting them. People must have reasons to change, plural."
 
I'll agree with the prestige factor, but the base C and 3 are not only smaller, but have much less powerful engines 228 and 230 respectively, as opposed to 263. And yes, the CTS starts at $36K, as opposed to $34K for the C and $33 and change for the 3. HOWEVER, when you bump up to the top of the line RWD versions, the CTS starts at $38,860 while the C jumps to $39K, and the 335 is over $40K. These versions give you the 300 (304 in the CTS) hp engines, except the C, which is 263. That levels the playing field some (although the 335 handles better due to it's smaller stature and pedigree.
 
".....Can GM prices ever be mentioned without some big incentive scheme? Loyalty this, employee pricing that. If I was in charge of GM I'd dump all of that garbage. Just price the things."
 
I'll agree there too. Go to a Saturn style pricing, no haggle. (Or like their "Red Tag Sale") The price you see is the price you pay!!!
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Re: BUILD IN AMERICA, SELL AT REASONABLE PRICES [imidazol97] by fintail
Jun 29, 2009 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 29, 2009 5:22 pm)

The guy might have been stretching to pay for the car, or simply didn't know better. Around here, Arco has that bad rep, and I do not go there for my own cars, where Chevron costs barely anything more. I've heard too many horror stories and warnings from people when I used to live in the same region as a refinery.
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Re: question for the group [Mr_Shiftright] by blckislandguy
Jun 29, 2009 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 27, 2009 3:07 pm)

Mr Shiftright, that, my friend, is an old Vietnamese expression.
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Re: question for the group [blckislandguy] by cooterbfd
Jun 29, 2009 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 29, 2009 6:15 pm)

How's life in New Shoreham these days?

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