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What if you were in charge of GM?

874 messages,  Last post on Oct 28, 2009 at 10:20 AM

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Re: Must be best or else [lemko] by bpizzuti
Jun 25, 2009 (5:36 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 25, 2009 5:26 am)

The Impala should really be like the Crown Vic...fleet only. They use it for cop cars, cabs, and rentals a lot. Selling it retail isn't really helping...if there has to be a fleet car, dedicate one model to it and don't sell it retail, this way consumers won't be complaining about diluted resale value (plus you don't have to deal with a bunch of option packages.)
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Re: Must be best or else [bpizzuti] by TIMGT5
Jun 25, 2009 (5:49 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 25, 2009 4:50 am)

You realize most people define "unbiased" as "favoring the car that I like" right? And of course any review that doesn't agree with them is of course biased?
 
That is a good point. Please realize that these reviewers test hundreds of cars a year, the average person might get to drive 3 or 4 in a decade. I know a lot of GM fanboys who call "bias" at the slightest critical point a reviewer makes of their product.
 
I would not buy a car just based on what is in the magazine, I always do a comprehensive 1 hour test drive over different roads before considering a product. Some of it interstate, some backroads. I want a car that is competant in both realms before I lay down any money.
 
As for my friends Lemko and imidazol97] if you two fellows truly believe that the Hydramtic 4 speed and the 3.8 pushrod engine are the pinnicle of human automotive engineering achievement, that GM cannot possibly improve its cars performance in any meaningful way, well I am not going to try to convince you otherwise.
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Re: Must be best or else [bpizzuti] by lemko
Jun 25, 2009 (5:59 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 25, 2009 5:36 am)

As it is, I pretty much agree there. They also shouldn't call it an Impala. Call it a Biscayne. I really really want the next Impala to be based on what was the G8. There's a car worthy of the Impala name. Also, make it look like an Impala - SIX PROPER TAILLIGHTS for one!
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Re: Must be best or else [TIMGT5] by bpizzuti
Jun 25, 2009 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: TIMGT5 (Jun 25, 2009 5:49 am)

I know a lot of GM fanboys who call "bias" at the slightest critical point a reviewer makes of their product.
 
Let's be frank: there are Honda fanboys, Toyota fanboys, Mazda fanboys (raises hand) etc who do the same thing.
 
As for my friends Lemko and imidazol97] if you two fellows truly believe that the Hydramtic 4 speed and the 3.8 pushrod engine are the pinnicle of human automotive engineering achievement, that GM cannot possibly improve its cars performance in any meaningful way, well I am not going to try to convince you otherwise.
 
Lemko understands reality, he just hates it, and misses his old Buicks. Personally, I think if he's feeling nostalgic, he should try a Mercury Grand Marquis and he'll feel right at home in his couch...er, car.
 
I don't know what's up with imidazol97, maybe he just loves GM. They HAVE built some good products, after all; the problem is that they've built a lot more BAD ones recently, and some really don't like to admit to that (including, unfortunately, GM itself).
 
Hey, at least 62vette isn't around anymore. Poor guy.
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Re: Must be best or else [TIMGT5] by lemko
Jun 25, 2009 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: TIMGT5 (Jun 25, 2009 5:49 am)

I don't think they're the pinnacle of anything, but they work and they're reliable. The AK-47 is hardly the finest rifle ever made, but it's dependable. You can throw a handful of sand into the breech and it'll still fire whereas an M-16 would have to be thoroughly stripped and cleaned.
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Re: Must be best or else [bpizzuti] by lemko
Jun 25, 2009 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 25, 2009 6:00 am)

I guess I haven't told anybody yet. I do have a Mercury Grand Marquis LS. Eh, it kind of looks like a Buick from the front.
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Re: Must be best or else [lemko] by bpizzuti
Jun 25, 2009 (6:06 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 25, 2009 6:04 am)

I guess I haven't told anybody yet. I do have a Mercury Grand Marquis LS. Eh, it kind of looks like a Buick from the front.
 
ROTFLMAO! I knew it!
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Re: Must be best or else [TIMGT5] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 25, 2009 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: TIMGT5 (Jun 25, 2009 5:49 am)

It's fine if someone wants to label a magazine "biased" because they pan a GM car....but then don't EVER go quoting that same magazine when they praise a GM car. That is completely inconsistent with the accusation of bias.
 
The magazine people actually laugh when they are accused of "bias" or "taking bribes". Most of them are eager to see a domestic product trounce an expensive import because it makes great copy and guarantees a strong response.
 
It just doesn't happen very often.
 
I totally agree with a previous poster, that the Japanese "edge" is really about "doing their homework".
 
The Japanese have rarely (just once in a while) released a new model prematurely, with bugs. They usually "get it right the first time out".
 
GM seems to hire its customers to do the R&D for them.
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Re: Must be best or else [Mr_Shiftright] by lemko
Jun 25, 2009 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 25, 2009 6:46 am)

I heard that what we consider a "new" Japanese model is actually several years old before it gets to the NA market. They work out all the bugs in their home market before releasing it here.
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Re: Must be best or else [lemko] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 25, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 25, 2009 6:50 am)

Good point but the Japanese are even less tolerant of fit and finish and reliability issues than we are. I'd imagine that a company in Japan would have to put out a pretty good product for the home market.
 
You remember how in the 1980s every US car had to be repainted in order to even sell in Japan (not that they sold very many, that's true).

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